Johann_Kaspar

Total bullshit. Fictitious bullshit. Someone really wrote: "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." And he meant it. Where is the fiction? It is completely real. You should stop thinking with a xian mentality. "Jesus the Christ" is late xian bullshit.

Johann_Kaspar

You absolutely don't understand the gospel. You only are taking the opposite view of the xians, meaning you are not free of the xian mentality, seeing things only in the reverse position. Genealogies are wrong? That is not the point. Genesis is wrong, that is not the point. Who said that the Torah should begin only in the middle of Exodus? Sure, you will never get it.

Johann_Kaspar

No, he hasn't done "a lot". The main extra-biblical text about a possible historical character, he did not care to read it.

aa5874

It is not necessary for me to demonstrate that each and every aspect of Superman is fictitious, I have not read every single article about Superman, I have not read every single comic book, yet I can assert that Superman is fictitious since his origin and birth is fictitious.

The authors of Superman claimed he originated from an unknown planet, Krypton, and was sent to earth on some type of vehicle to earth, where he was found and raised by unknown, supposedly real people. That is the fundamental core of Superman and it is fiction and I do not have to find out if everyone named Clark Kent living in the USA or anywhere in the world, qualifies to be Superman. I do not have to prove that his method of movement through the air is fictitious.

Now, I will tell you that the fundamental core of Jesus the Christ is the virgin birth and it is fiction. Jesus the Christ was sent from an unknown location called heaven, by his unknown father, through the means of an unknown medium, which resulted in his birth and was raised by unknown parents. I do not have to prove that his method of healing his fictitious or that anyone with the name Jesus qualifies to be the Christ.

It is so easy to see that Superman is fiction yet so difficult, by some, to see the very same fictitious core of Jesus the Christ.

Distorted."Reality"

I've read 5 pages of this, and the only thing I can say is, if God actually wanted to geniunely make Jesus Christ's presence known, miracles and all, then there would be extrabiblical evidence popping up all within the Middle East. Evidence that can be date from the last years of Jesus' supposed lifetime to 5-10 years after his death. If Jesus Christ was an extremely (in)famous by Jews and everyone else, it strikes me as odd that no one bothered to write about it within Jesus' lifetime or even a couple years after.
For me personally it takes a great deal more then a few extrabiblical statements written well after Jesus' death, to make me believe what is supposedly required to be a true Christian.

aa5874

I think you mean fictitious bullshit.

Chris Weimer

We're not discussing the Christ of faith here, though.

mens_sana

And how did you get this idea that Jesus made such big waves? From Acts? From a tradition that pretty much took over the western world? What happens if you shelve Acts and the tradition? Cut the entire thing off with: So they went out and fled from the tomb, for terror and amazement had seized them; and they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid (Mk 16.8). At this point the dead leader had a dozen or so disciples. Where are all the "big waves"?

mens_sana

Please sit back and take a deep breath or 10. Look at what you wrote "if God wanted .... " Who says, other than Xns, that God had anything to do with it?

There is no barrier to saying, "There was a little-known Jesus of Nazareth running around Galilee, whose followers formed a religious movement (primarily in the gentile world) that later became quite influential after 325 CE — and God had nothing to do with it because he is historically irrelevant."

I know something along that line relaxes my breathing (usually).

mountainman

Marcion, Origen, Celsus, Clement, Paul, Matthew, Mark, etc:
all the prenicene authors, were simply Eusebius talking through
them from the 4th CE.

Most of these authors have unknown dates of birth, and
unknown dates of death, and "about whose lives little or
nothing is known". Some of the authors may have been
fraudulently interpolated (eg: perhaps Josephus).