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ELECTROGOD · 04-10-2006, 10:36 PM

He's probably rilled up because of...

FatherMithras · 04-11-2006, 07:45 AM

I still love the arrogance of kid christians. Having never been exposed to any kind of critical analysis, they proclaim no one has ever found a contradiction, that everyone knows it, and that we all are just being stubborn because we hate god.

scisyhp · 04-12-2006, 12:39 PM

Listen saved for god, there are many contradictions in the bible.

Signs that the bible was not divinely inspired

According to Nahum 1:3, clouds are actually not particles of water vapour in the atmosphere, they are dust kicked up by god's footprints.
According to Job 37:2-3, thunder is not the rapid expansion of air caused by the intense heat of a lightning bolt, but the voice of god.
According to Jeremiah 30:23, a tornado is not the product of a large weather system, but a weapon god uses to kill those who sin.
According to Isaiah 13:13 and Psalms 18:7, earthquakes are not the result of tectonic plate activity, but a weapon god uses against sinners when he is really pissed off.
According to Hosea 13:15 and Psalms 107:33-34, a river drying up is not the result of a dry season, but a sign that people near the river must have sinned.
Likewise, according to Deuteronomy 28:22-24, drought is god's reaction to sinners living in the area.

Other parts of the bible are just too stupid to have been divinely inspired, and almost certainly indicate the views of the (very human) author(s):

According to Genesis 9:13-15, rainbows are god's way of reminding himself not to brutally slaughter everyone on earth again. (Kind of like the cosmic equivalent of tying a string around your finger, every time you look at it you say, "oh, yeah, I'm NOT supposed to drown almost every living thing on the planet!") One question - why would god need to be reminded of anything?
According to 1 Timothy 4:1-3 and Romans 14:2, vegetarians are weak-minded heathens who must worship other gods.
According to Judges 1:19, an army under god's direct command can be defeated by a group of iron chariots. Can you imagine god trying to justify this? "Well, I know I created the universe and all that, but come on, they have IRON chariots! Chariots made of actual IRON! I can't beat that!"
According to Acts 5:1-10, people who fail to give all their money to god shall be struck dead. Now this is just silly. What's god going to do with money? This must be the biblical equivalent of those annoying television evangelists: "please, send us money so we can spread the word of god..."
According to Leviticus 19:1, farmers who plant two kinds of seed in a single field anger god. Also, people who wear clothing made from more than one kind of material anger god. Why would god care what we wear?
According to Deuteronomy 23:12-14, if you need to go to the bathroom, you should go outside the city, dig a hole, do your business, cover it up, and return to the city. Failure to do so will cause god to turn away from you. Hey god, if you find human waste offensive, why did you make us this way? Come to think of it, how could god find anything offensive?

Still other parts of the bible seem to have been inserted by governments or ruling parties - they seem designed to maintain control over all christians. Look at some examples:

According to Romans 13:1-4 and Peter 2:13-14, you must obey the local goverment at all times, since they were placed there by god. Apparently, god hates rebellions. Riiiiight.
According to Colossians 2:8, god doesn't want you to learn things outside the church. Riiiight.

I know you have always been told by your parents that the bible is 100% right and never question it, but you need to relize that part of growing up is learning to think critiacally, and learning to think for yourself. You continue to span on all these boards, but your posts are empty, and do not reflect and real information. The "proofs" you produce are circular in nature and have already been disproven in the past. You need to stop your trolling, or you may end up banned.

Mageth · 04-12-2006, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by savedforgod

Conclusion: if you can't find a single fault with Jesus being God, then there is only one option that is reasonable, to come to the cross as a helpless sinner to receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior.

The Jews at the time found plenty of fault with Jesus being God, apparently. Namely, that their scriptures taught against such an absurd notion, and taught that there was only one God (no notion of a Trinity).

cgordon · 04-12-2006, 12:50 PM

This thread needs KITTENS!

scisyhp · 04-12-2006, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cgordon

This thread needs KITTENS!

everything needs kittens.

Weltall · 04-12-2006, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cgordon

This thread needs KITTENS!

I'll get the barbeque sauce... Seriously, we've got to celebrate: It's not often that we get a Christ-bot batting 100% on thread locks (I figure this thread's living on borrowed time as it is). Now, who's bringing the drinks?

morganitor · 04-12-2006, 02:48 PM

Has anyone really checked out his "forum"? If it was ever remotely successful, he managed to run it into the ground by being as arrogant and deluded there as he is here. 3 total current members and his threads average just over 2 posts each. A quick look at some of the forums shows that most threads are just him posting rants and getting no replies.

The really sad thing is that he probably genuinely believes that he is absolutely right in his beliefs and his words and that more than 5 or so people actually read anything there.

FatherMithras · 04-12-2006, 02:57 PM

Not to be offensive, but I am thinking being mean to him isn't the best thing to do. His attitude seems to suggest narcisism. It may seem like a joke to alot of you on here, but its a serious mental illness that people (due to the condition) don't usually seek help for. I mean, he thinks his own proof is the best he's EVER seen, thinks that saying "wrong, you can't find anything at all!" to refutations is valid, etc.

Astreja · 04-12-2006, 03:21 PM

Okay, folks, there's your kitten. Now to the OP:

There is no objective proof that your god even exists outside the minds of True Believers™.

And, even if such proof is received, then you have to prove that Jesus existed. And then you have to prove that Jesus actually was an avatar of your god.

And after that, you have to prove that the Bible is an accurate reflection of what that god wants, and not just a pile of steaming horse manure thrown together by Paul, Constantine, and dozens of other arrogant control freaks who wouldn't know morality if it bit them in the rearquarters.

And then... Only then... are we in a position to decide if we actually want to worship this alleged god.

I have no intention of ever doing so, because I think your alleged god is a murderous thug. So there, nyaah!

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04-10-2006, 10:36 PM	#21
ELECTROGOD Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: GR, MI USA Posts: 4,009	He's probably rilled up because of...

04-11-2006, 07:45 AM	#22
FatherMithras Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 3,890	I still love the arrogance of kid christians. Having never been exposed to any kind of critical analysis, they proclaim no one has ever found a contradiction, that everyone knows it, and that we all are just being stubborn because we hate god.

04-12-2006, 12:39 PM	#23
scisyhp Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Goodrich, Mi Posts: 538	Listen saved for god, there are many contradictions in the bible. Signs that the bible was not divinely inspired According to Nahum 1:3, clouds are actually not particles of water vapour in the atmosphere, they are dust kicked up by god's footprints. According to Job 37:2-3, thunder is not the rapid expansion of air caused by the intense heat of a lightning bolt, but the voice of god. According to Jeremiah 30:23, a tornado is not the product of a large weather system, but a weapon god uses to kill those who sin. According to Isaiah 13:13 and Psalms 18:7, earthquakes are not the result of tectonic plate activity, but a weapon god uses against sinners when he is really pissed off. According to Hosea 13:15 and Psalms 107:33-34, a river drying up is not the result of a dry season, but a sign that people near the river must have sinned. Likewise, according to Deuteronomy 28:22-24, drought is god's reaction to sinners living in the area. Other parts of the bible are just too stupid to have been divinely inspired, and almost certainly indicate the views of the (very human) author(s): According to Genesis 9:13-15, rainbows are god's way of reminding himself not to brutally slaughter everyone on earth again. (Kind of like the cosmic equivalent of tying a string around your finger, every time you look at it you say, "oh, yeah, I'm NOT supposed to drown almost every living thing on the planet!") One question - why would god need to be reminded of anything? According to 1 Timothy 4:1-3 and Romans 14:2, vegetarians are weak-minded heathens who must worship other gods. According to Judges 1:19, an army under god's direct command can be defeated by a group of iron chariots. Can you imagine god trying to justify this? "Well, I know I created the universe and all that, but come on, they have IRON chariots! Chariots made of actual IRON! I can't beat that!" According to Acts 5:1-10, people who fail to give all their money to god shall be struck dead. Now this is just silly. What's god going to do with money? This must be the biblical equivalent of those annoying television evangelists: "please, send us money so we can spread the word of god..." According to Leviticus 19:1, farmers who plant two kinds of seed in a single field anger god. Also, people who wear clothing made from more than one kind of material anger god. Why would god care what we wear? According to Deuteronomy 23:12-14, if you need to go to the bathroom, you should go outside the city, dig a hole, do your business, cover it up, and return to the city. Failure to do so will cause god to turn away from you. Hey god, if you find human waste offensive, why did you make us this way? Come to think of it, how could god find anything offensive? Still other parts of the bible seem to have been inserted by governments or ruling parties - they seem designed to maintain control over all christians. Look at some examples: According to Romans 13:1-4 and Peter 2:13-14, you must obey the local goverment at all times, since they were placed there by god. Apparently, god hates rebellions. Riiiiight. According to Colossians 2:8, god doesn't want you to learn things outside the church. Riiiight. I know you have always been told by your parents that the bible is 100% right and never question it, but you need to relize that part of growing up is learning to think critiacally, and learning to think for yourself. You continue to span on all these boards, but your posts are empty, and do not reflect and real information. The "proofs" you produce are circular in nature and have already been disproven in the past. You need to stop your trolling, or you may end up banned.

04-12-2006, 12:50 PM	#25
cgordon Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,402	This thread needs KITTENS!

04-12-2006, 02:48 PM	#28
morganitor Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 303	Has anyone really checked out his "forum"? If it was ever remotely successful, he managed to run it into the ground by being as arrogant and deluded there as he is here. 3 total current members and his threads average just over 2 posts each. A quick look at some of the forums shows that most threads are just him posting rants and getting no replies. The really sad thing is that he probably genuinely believes that he is absolutely right in his beliefs and his words and that more than 5 or so people actually read anything there.

04-12-2006, 02:57 PM	#29
FatherMithras Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 3,890	Not to be offensive, but I am thinking being mean to him isn't the best thing to do. His attitude seems to suggest narcisism. It may seem like a joke to alot of you on here, but its a serious mental illness that people (due to the condition) don't usually seek help for. I mean, he thinks his own proof is the best he's EVER seen, thinks that saying "wrong, you can't find anything at all!" to refutations is valid, etc.

04-12-2006, 03:21 PM	#30
Astreja Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 2,946	Okay, folks, there's your kitten. Now to the OP: There is no objective proof that your god even exists outside the minds of True Believers™. And, even if such proof is received, then you have to prove that Jesus existed. And then you have to prove that Jesus actually was an avatar of your god. And after that, you have to prove that the Bible is an accurate reflection of what that god wants, and not just a pile of steaming horse manure thrown together by Paul, Constantine, and dozens of other arrogant control freaks who wouldn't know morality if it bit them in the rearquarters. And then... Only then... are we in a position to decide if we actually want to worship this alleged god. I have no intention of ever doing so, because I think your alleged god is a murderous thug. So there, nyaah!

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