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the minnow · 09-23-2006, 08:34 AM

According to the Bible, the modern humans today are all descendents of the sons of Noah. Does it explain how different races like the Chinese, the Kenyans or the Swedish came to be? Did they evolve their features then in less than 3000 years or so? Does the Bible mention any other human ethnicities outside the range of the Middle East, North Africa, Turkey, Israel, Rome and Greece? What is the farthest range that people in the Bible lands knew of other ethnicities?

Toto · 09-23-2006, 10:47 AM

There is a Christian attempt to grapple with that here: The origins of race.

"Race" is a modern concept.

Toto · 09-23-2006, 11:44 AM

This thread from 2003 raises the same question. I think the answers there cannot be improved on.

Shem, Ham, and Japeth

Also Noah and the Ark.

And you might find some interest in Is Japeth a corruption of Jupiter?

Truly there is nothing new under the sun.

GenesisNemesis · 09-23-2006, 03:47 PM

Biblical literalists cannot say anything on the subject because the Bible says nothing about it.

Eldarion Lathria · 09-23-2006, 10:34 PM

According to the Church of the Iron Oak, the aboriginal peoples of Europe, East and Central Asia, Sub-Saharan Africa and the Americas are not descended from Adam. They are descended from Lucy, never lived in the Garden of Eden, aren't subject to original sin, and don't need Jesus. They should worship their ancestral gods, love the earth and deal justly with their fellow men. I am not an Iron Oaker but an agnostic, but that is what Iron Oak members have told me.

Eldarion Lathria

Toto · 09-24-2006, 12:18 AM

Church of the Iron Oak appears to be a neopagan or Wiccan group (i.e., they're making it up as they go along.)

But who would not be included in "the aboriginal peoples of Europe, East and Central Asia, Sub-Saharan Africa and the Americas?"

Amaleq13 · 09-24-2006, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Toto

But who would not be included in "the aboriginal peoples of Europe, East and Central Asia, Sub-Saharan Africa and the Americas?"

North Africa and the Middle East?

Tammuz · 09-24-2006, 12:29 AM

The Biblical explanation with Ham, Japeth and Shem has problems. It doesn't account for the origin of the Chinese, Japanese, Aborigins and Meso-Americans, to name a few.

That only whites are descended from Adam is usually a Christian Identity (i.e white supremacism Christianity) belief. Mainstream Christianity holds that all humans are descended from Adam.

Fish · 09-24-2006, 03:08 AM

So what do non white christians believe? How do they explain how they are non white, yet they descend from a (presumably white) adam?

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the minnow Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 74	Origin of the human races and the Bible According to the Bible, the modern humans today are all descendents of the sons of Noah. Does it explain how different races like the Chinese, the Kenyans or the Swedish came to be? Did they evolve their features then in less than 3000 years or so? Does the Bible mention any other human ethnicities outside the range of the Middle East, North Africa, Turkey, Israel, Rome and Greece? What is the farthest range that people in the Bible lands knew of other ethnicities?

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09-23-2006, 10:47 AM	#2
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	There is a Christian attempt to grapple with that here: The origins of race. "Race" is a modern concept.

09-23-2006, 11:44 AM	#3
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	This thread from 2003 raises the same question. I think the answers there cannot be improved on. Shem, Ham, and Japeth Also Noah and the Ark. And you might find some interest in Is Japeth a corruption of Jupiter? Truly there is nothing new under the sun.

09-23-2006, 03:47 PM	#4
GenesisNemesis Contributor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A pale blue oblate spheroid. Posts: 20,351	Biblical literalists cannot say anything on the subject because the Bible says nothing about it.

09-23-2006, 10:34 PM	#5
Eldarion Lathria Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Atlantis Posts: 2,449	According to the Church of the Iron Oak, the aboriginal peoples of Europe, East and Central Asia, Sub-Saharan Africa and the Americas are not descended from Adam. They are descended from Lucy, never lived in the Garden of Eden, aren't subject to original sin, and don't need Jesus. They should worship their ancestral gods, love the earth and deal justly with their fellow men. I am not an Iron Oaker but an agnostic, but that is what Iron Oak members have told me. Eldarion Lathria

09-24-2006, 12:18 AM	#6
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	Church of the Iron Oak appears to be a neopagan or Wiccan group (i.e., they're making it up as they go along.) But who would not be included in "the aboriginal peoples of Europe, East and Central Asia, Sub-Saharan Africa and the Americas?"

09-24-2006, 12:29 AM	#8
Tammuz Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 5,525	The Biblical explanation with Ham, Japeth and Shem has problems. It doesn't account for the origin of the Chinese, Japanese, Aborigins and Meso-Americans, to name a few. That only whites are descended from Adam is usually a Christian Identity (i.e white supremacism Christianity) belief. Mainstream Christianity holds that all humans are descended from Adam.

09-24-2006, 03:08 AM	#9
Fish Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: UK Posts: 934	So what do non white christians believe? How do they explain how they are non white, yet they descend from a (presumably white) adam?

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