Chili

But the waters are not the sea. The waters are part of the sea which is totally ours to walk on, and when we do, we walk on the waters. In this sense are the waters specifics of the sea. To get into the promised land we must walk across the sea instead of parting the sea to get there which would be a forced entry and will never be part of the divine comedy . . . which is where a Senecan tragedy is opposite to a divine comedy and we all know how gory they are (Titus Andronicus comes to mind here but Macbeth is bad enough).

Chili

You've got it, my friend . . . as if you can do it but did not realize it.

Chili

Beautiful metaphor of breaking new grounds in comprehension. The mantle is the cloak of faith here put to the test. It is similar to Peter putting on his cloak and diving headfirst into the celestial sea . . . where the fish were big and easy to catch.

Chili

Sorry I forgot, that they went hither and thither on dry land just means that he knows between right and wrong and can walk on that knowledge. This goes back to Gen.1 where the water gathered into a single basin that dry land may appear for us to walk on.

FatherMithras

I've been wondering, how do you rationalize your statements like this? How do you validate what it actually means, when it seems like you arbitrarily twist clear wording to make some odd, esoteric meaning to the texts.

Chili

That is why I gave you Gen.1 where the water was chaos until it gathered and dry land appeared for us to walk on. The mighty wind means unrest or "unstructured space" in our mind until knowledge (or water) is gathered into a basin and dry land appears for us to walk on. The rain that comes later represents the contributions (or daily masses or daily rounds of samsara) that we undergo each day and add them to this pool of knowlege that nevertheless becomes a liability until we can walk on it as part of the celestial sea that has a mind of its own. This mind is our seat of wisdom (we call her Mary) who is subservient to the Lord who is us-in-becoming as Catholic once we are crucified and raised into the Upper room and there crown her queen of heaven and earth ("my being proclaims the greatness of the Lord" is our divine invitation here wherefore some Catholics claim her as their very own in a casual way, as in "she's a doll" or "who is my mother" or something like that). Mary is very enigmatic but also very local and this is visible from her apparitions (phantasia) around the world.

Edited to add that she always is our perfect image of mortal beauty as presented in Joyces Portrait with "and touched with the wonder of mortal beauty, her face" (page 171 Pinguin books where Joyce has his "Beatific Vision").

FatherMithras

You didn't answer my question. how do you know or prove any of this means what you say it does, when nothing but your own interpretation supports it.

Chili

Truth is very concrete and adds up like math. In this sense is it not my own interpretation but maybe just my own words.

It is also not my intention to prove anything here but just maybe to present a different point of view.