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Toto · 01-14-2013, 05:47 PM

Dead Sea Scrolls Go To Court

An update on the Golb trial and the underlying controversy.

mountainman · 01-14-2013, 07:23 PM

Quarrels amongst scholars - scholarly rage and parody.

Quarrels amongst motorists - road rage and parody.

Where/when does it cross the line of the law?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Golb

“Since when does a civilized society allow a prosecutor to invade the academic territory of learning and take sides?” he asked incredulously, in a recent interview. “Quarrels among scholars should be settled among scholars, not in court.”

mountainman · 01-15-2013, 12:26 AM

Maybe XKV8R will comment.

Quote:

Some have suggested that there is money involved in sustaining the Essene theory, but apart from large donations, it is difficult to substantiate such claims. Nevertheless, it is curious that Golb’s alternative theory would have been so painstakingly hidden from the public eye while international conferences and museum exhibits portrayed the Essene theory as incontrovertible.

manwithdream · 01-15-2013, 09:42 PM

I couldn't see Toto's link, but I know about Golb's own blog:

http://raphaelgolbtrial.wordpress.com/

You can read his appeal and the other side's response, etc.

mountainman · 01-15-2013, 09:57 PM

Who is funding the prosecution?

Toto · 01-16-2013, 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountainman

Who is funding the prosecution?

The government. He is alleged to have committed a crime.

Sheshbazzar · 01-16-2013, 10:15 AM

While on one hand I cannot help but have sympathy for Raphael, setting up an e-mail account in someone else's name and then using it to send forged 'confessions' of dishonest conduct to that persons employer and acquaintances goes well beyond being a any simple prank, regardless of how well things may have turned out.
Raphael Golb is a very highly educated adult, but that manner of unethical conduct is not even acceptable in a 16 year old.

If he felt a need to 'parody' someone, he could have damn well done it honestly in his own name, under an assumed pen name, or anonymously.

mountainman · 01-16-2013, 04:44 PM

The judge and everyone else seem to universally see this as a 'parody'.

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A parody (pron.: /ˈpærədi/; also called spoof, send-up or lampoon), in current use, is an imitative work created to mock, comment on or trivialise an original work, its subject, author, style, or some other target, by means of satiric or ironic imitation.

To what extent could this be perceived as a satire?

What's the difference?

Quote:

Originally Posted by WIKI

Satire is a genre of literature, and sometimes graphic and performing arts, in which vices, follies, abuses, and shortcomings are held up to ridicule, ideally with the intent of shaming individuals, and society itself, into improvement.[1] Although satire is usually meant to be funny, its greater purpose is often constructive social criticism, using wit as a weapon.

A common feature of satire is strong irony or sarcasm—"in satire, irony is militant"[2]—but parody, burlesque, exaggeration,[3] juxtaposition, comparison, analogy, and double entendre are all frequently used in satirical speech and writing. This "militant" irony or sarcasm often professes to approve of (or at least accept as natural) the very things the satirist wishes to attack.

Toto · 01-16-2013, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountainman

The judge and everyone else seem to universally see this as a 'parody'.

...

Er, no, the idea that this was a parody is Golb's defense. The judge and the prosecutor thought that this was an illegal theft of identity.

mountainman · 01-17-2013, 04:17 PM

True that Raphael calls it a parody (although some comments at the end seem to suggest this was the defence logistics) ....

Quote:

Raphael Golb admits to having sent the email, but he maintains that it was an act of parody, rather than criminal impersonation. “I was exercising my right to expose, condemn, and ridicule the misconduct of other people,”

The judge stated that Golb's email was “a parody over the line.”

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But Judge Berkman—herself an object of controversy, a judge whose verdicts have been rejected by appellate courts with terms such as “a gross miscarriage of justice”—insisted over and over throughout the trial that “neither good faith nor the truth is a defense” and based her decision, she wrote, on her sense that Golb’s email was “a parody over the line.”

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manwithdream Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: united states Posts: 156	I couldn't see Toto's link, but I know about Golb's own blog: http://raphaelgolbtrial.wordpress.com/ You can read his appeal and the other side's response, etc.

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mountainman Contributor Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Falls Creek, Oz. Posts: 11,192	Who is funding the prosecution?

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Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	While on one hand I cannot help but have sympathy for Raphael, setting up an e-mail account in someone else's name and then using it to send forged 'confessions' of dishonest conduct to that persons employer and acquaintances goes well beyond being a any simple prank, regardless of how well things may have turned out. Raphael Golb is a very highly educated adult, but that manner of unethical conduct is not even acceptable in a 16 year old. If he felt a need to 'parody' someone, he could have damn well done it honestly in his own name, under an assumed pen name, or anonymously.

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