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Old 08-02-2012, 06:55 AM   #141
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Whether one assumes that the works ascribed to Justin Martyr emerged in the 2nd century or the 4th century, it is still necessary to account for the fact that the epistles ascribed to Paul are not mentioned in those writings and that they emerged after the Justin writings. In addition, it is necessary to try to determine WHY then the epistles never invoke any of the teachings found in the Justin writings about the life of Jesus, especially as found in the Dialogue with Trypho, which "prove" Jesus' life from verses in the Tanakh.

And of course, if the Pauline epistles DID exist before the Justin writings, then it should be explained why those writings do not mention Paul or the teachings of the epistles even a single time.

There can be only one explanation: the writers of the Justin texts and the Pauline epistles did not know of each other, otherwise one could not explain why the epistles do not invoke the same information and teachings found in the First Apology and Dialogue with Trypho.

This would by necessity argue for the emergence of Christian teachings from MULTIPLE SOURCES in the Empire and not from one central source.
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Old 08-02-2012, 08:06 AM   #142
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And this chart shows that the Justin writings chooses to invoke events ending up found in one or the other gospel rather than an event that is found in another gospel, and somes adds in something else not found later in any of the gospels. The Justin texts invoke stories found in three gospels regarding the betrayal of Jesus and the crucifixion.
http://vridar.info/xorigins/justinnarr.htm
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There can be only one explanation: the writers of the Justin texts and the Pauline epistles did not know of each other, otherwise one could not explain why the epistles do not invoke the same information and teachings found in the First Apology and Dialogue with Trypho.
Your statement is NOT logical at all.
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Old 08-02-2012, 09:00 AM   #144
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What is illogical about what I said??

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There can be only one explanation: the writers of the Justin texts and the Pauline epistles did not know of each other, otherwise one could not explain why the epistles do not invoke the same information and teachings found in the First Apology and Dialogue with Trypho.
Your statement is NOT logical at all.
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What is illogical about what I said??...
The fact that you asked confirm that you have very little idea of your own logical fallacies.

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There can be only one explanation: the writers of the Justin texts and the Pauline epistles did not know of each other, otherwise one could not explain why the epistles do not invoke the same information and teachings found in the First Apology and Dialogue with Trypho.
Logically, there is MORE than one explanation or another explanation.
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Old 08-02-2012, 10:49 AM   #146
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AA, can you offer anything else besides insulting me?
Can you offer any reasonable explanations for the context of this discussion of when, how and where the texts emerged??

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There can be only one explanation: the writers of the Justin texts and the Pauline epistles did not know of each other, otherwise one could not explain why the epistles do not invoke the same information and teachings found in the First Apology and Dialogue with Trypho.
Logically, there is MORE than one explanation or another explanation.
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AA, can you offer anything else besides insulting me?...
Again, you show that you do NOT understand that you can be illogical or make illogical statements.

It is NOT an insult to IDENTIFY your logical fallacies.
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Can you offer any reasonable explanations for the context of this discussion of when, how and where the texts emerged??
Please, I have ALREADY stated My Argument that Justin Martyr's writings are Compatible with the recovered Dated Texts and based on their contents the Pauline letters were Composed After the writings attributed to Justin Martyr.

My argument is that Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline letters were Composed to FILL in part of the Big Black Hole Exposed by Justin.
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WHAT big black hole in Justin's ideas that had to be filled by the epistles? WHO decided a big black hole existed and that it had to be filled? And why do the epistles not make reference to any of the prophetic statements "discovered" by Justin within his unknown community among his unknown leaders and predecessors and colleagues?!
And are you sure that the Apology and the Dialogue were written by the same person?

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It is NOT an insult to IDENTIFY your logical fallacies.
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Can you offer any reasonable explanations for the context of this discussion of when, how and where the texts emerged??
Please, I have ALREADY stated My Argument that Justin Martyr's writings are Compatible with the recovered Dated Texts and based on their contents the Pauline letters were Composed After the writings attributed to Justin Martyr.

My argument is that Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline letters were Composed to FILL in part of the Big Black Hole Exposed by Justin.
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WHAT big black hole in Justin's ideas that had to be filled by the epistles?
Please first read writings attributed to Justin to identify the Big Black Hole. Justin Martyr's history of Jesus and the disciples is found in the Memoirs. Justin's Jesus was a PHANTOM and could NOT have had any real disciples precisely as he shows in his writings.

There is NO post-ascension history of the disciples and Paul, No Pauline letters, No Activities, No Pauline Churches in the writings attributed to Justin Martyr.
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I repeat: Who decided a black hole existed and that it had to be filled by the epistles?

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Please first read writings attributed to Justin to identify the Big Black Hole. Justin Martyr's history of Jesus and the disciples is found in the Memoirs. Justin's Jesus was a PHANTOM and could NOT have had any real disciples precisely as he shows in his writings.

There is NO post-ascension history of the disciples and Paul, No Pauline letters, No Activities, No Pauline Churches in the writings attributed to Justin Martyr.
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