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Old 03-06-2009, 01:55 AM   #1
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Biblical archaeology wasn't a discipline at all, but an extension of apologetics.

Loads of archeologists claimed king david & solomon were mythical figures - they have never recovered from shame following the tel dan discovery. Excepting for the FX miracles, everything is evidenced or proven in the Hebrew bible.
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Loads of archeologists claimed king david & solomon were mythical figures - they have never recovered from shame following the tel dan discovery. Excepting for the FX miracles, everything is evidenced or proven in the Hebrew bible.
You have some warped idea of the Tel Dan Stela. BYTDWD fits the description of a temple, as is implied with Beth-Shemesh, Beth-El and Beth-Anat.


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You have some warped idea of the Tel Dan Stela. BYTDWD fits the description of a temple, as is implied with Beth-Shemesh, Beth-El and Beth-Anat.


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My point here is, this discovery confirms King David was not a mythical figure, lived in Judea exactly as stated in the book of kings and the Psalms, and validated by archeology. This is a very important find, being 3000 years old, and a mere 250 years from Moses.
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The Bible is a document with historical context, but it's not an accurate document "of" history. Sure there may be real world elements in it like the rise of the Roman empire, or some major natural disaster.

But, it's also full of anecdotal, recitalist, and moralistic agenda. = Opinion.

I mean come on just because the Greeks were real, and documented some history accurately, doesn't mean the four humours were an accurate representation of the human body.

Remember history isn't a science, it's science's job to determine if the historical record is accurate when possible.
The NT is not real - nothing in it is verifiable. The OT is varied in kind and degree as an historical document. Rome and Greek is not a meriting of the NT - this is evdential from 1000s of pre-NT documents.
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You have some warped idea of the Tel Dan Stela. BYTDWD fits the description of a temple, as is implied with Beth-Shemesh, Beth-El and Beth-Anat.
My point here is, this discovery confirms King David was not a mythical figure,...
I was trying to head this error off. It confirms nothing of the sort. It just means that there was a temple of a divine entity known as DWD (the source of our name David and which means "beloved").

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...lived in Judea exactly as stated in the book of kings and the Psalms, and validated by archeology. This is a very important find, being 3000 years old, and a mere 250 years from Moses.
None of this wishful thinking comes from the Tel Dan inscription.


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But it's not a fair comparison in the sense that the Hebrews were not great builders of temples, palaces and fortresses, and didn't practise the visual arts of the Greeks. The Minoans left physical remains even though their writing is not fully deciphered yet.
The largest monument in the world as at 70 CE was the Jerusalem Temple. It was five times bigger than the sphinx, on a 450 acre site, its circumference was 35 miles, its walls towered 110 meters [20 storeys], and each of its stone hewn bricks weighed an average of 10 tons [Josephus; Roman archives]. Later, the Colisium in Rome was built by Hebrews taken their as slaves, because of their knowledge of building large edifices derived from ancient Egypt.
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The Jews were never enslaved in Egypt and did not built the pyramids.

Please stop posting this nonsense.
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The Jews were never enslaved in Egypt and did not built the pyramids.

Please stop posting this nonsense.
I never said they built the pyramids, which predates Abraham by 1200 years. But they did build two cities, and they did acquire building knowledge - we know this by the size of the Jerusalem Temple, the record of the Israelites in ancient Egypt for 210 years [The Mosaic bible], and from archeological relics from inter-nations. How is it nonesense - when you have not given any counter evidences of your charge? :constern01:
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But it's not a fair comparison in the sense that the Hebrews were not great builders of temples, palaces and fortresses, and didn't practise the visual arts of the Greeks. The Minoans left physical remains even though their writing is not fully deciphered yet.
The largest monument in the world as at 70 CE was the Jerusalem Temple. It was five times bigger than the sphinx, on a 450 acre site, its circumference was 35 miles, its walls towered 110 meters [20 storeys], and each of its stone hewn bricks weighed an average of 10 tons [Josephus; Roman archives]. Later, the Coliseum in Rome was built by Hebrews taken their as slaves, because of their knowledge of building large edifices derived from ancient Egypt.
I knew I should have added "until Herod". Herod the Great was a hellenized Idumean client king of Rome. The works he built over his long reign stand in contrast to the previous millenium of modest Hebrew/Israelite/Jewish architecture.

You have this tendency to ignore the real achievements of the ancient peoples who preceded and co-existed with the Jews. If you were a Greek tourist in the 1st C BCE where would the most interesting sites be? Not Palestine.

You're idolizing the ancient Jews. They may have been Chosen to preach monotheism, but not to produce significant physical materials. Textiles, pottery, sculpture, mega-building... others did these things as well or better.
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IamJoseph: The Bible Unearthed (or via: amazon.co.uk).

It is well known and accepted among most Jews that the Tanakh is not history. The "Mosaic" Bible is not an acceptable source.
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