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Old 06-18-2006, 03:22 PM   #91
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What constitutes a "known" identity? How is an identity "verified"?
A person identifies his great great grandfather whom he has never seen or known by relying on pertinent information from relatives, recorded documentation and acquaintances. The farther back one goes, names and dates of birth may be the only means of identification.



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Isn't this standard a bit too modern for considering ancient individuals?
Documents and records of real characters are usually accumalated during the character's lifetime and preserved for generations and generations.



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Can you provide some examples of 1st century characters who meet your criteria?
I accept any character as real, 1st century or not, that meets my criteria. If a person was said to be a king, a historian, a poet or a soldier and acted within the realms of human possibilty.
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Old 06-18-2006, 04:21 PM   #92
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I accept any character as real, 1st century or not, that meets my criteria. If a person was said to be a king, a historian, a poet or a soldier and acted within the realms of human possibilty.
Thank god you're not a historian.
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What do you mean by "the sum of his actions"? Many of Jesus' activities in the Gospels are well within the realm of human possibility. Preachers existed in the 1st century. Faith-healers were believed to exist in the 1st century. Prophets were believed to exist in the 1st century.
With regard to the answers you've already provided, from what professional historians and/or texts did you obtain your standards for historicity?
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With regard to the answers you've already provided, from what professional historians and/or texts did you obtain your standards for historicity
I have not obtained any standards for historicity. I have just given you some of the general criteria I use to come to my own decision on whether I will accept a person as historic or not. I am not a historian, nor do I pretend to be.

I am of the view that I have enough intellectual capacity to make a personal judgement on whether a person is fictitious. Whether other persons agree or disagree is entirely their call. That is what discussion is all about.

With regards to the question of 'sum of actions' . 'Sum of actions' is just a general term meaning 'to take everything we know of that character into account'.

After being on this forum for sometime now, all the information that I have gleaned point to a fictitious Jesus, and I now regard the Christian Bible as a story book of ghosts. The ten plagues of Exodus shows that sorcerers were thought to have real powers similar to Gods. Jesus was in fact the ultimate ghost buster. After taking into account all I have read of the character Jesus, there is no way in the world I can perceive such a character as being real.
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With regards to the question of 'sum of actions' . 'Sum of actions' is just a general term meaning 'to take everything we know of that character into account'.
How, exactly, did you take into account all of the activites attributed to Jesus that are well within the realm of human possibility?

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