Huon

This sequence was written to show that the Jews did not understand (or accept) that Jesus was more important than a guy like Barabbas. Probably an "improvement" of the initial story, added later.

Do you see "the Jews" shouting "Kill the King of the Jews !" ?

JABcomix

OMG! None of you could answer this! I can't believe I've stumped you all! This is incredible!

Have none of you ever taken a high school class where they make you read a fictional story and then ask you to get into the mind of the character? Is it really that hard to do some critical thinking?

Let's say that the Gospels are pure fantasy and none of this stuff ever happened. Regardless of all that, this story still exist in it's present form. The CHALLENGE here , if any of you DARE to entertain your mind, is to figure out what Pilate was thinking when he gave the choice to the Jews as to who should live or die.

So in essence, get into the character of Pilate's head and find out his MOTIVE for doing what he did. Given what you already know of the person of Pilate, or what you think you know, put forward your best answer as to the motive of Pilate's mind.

Can any of you answer me that? Or should I go to a Christian website where they would at least give it some intelligent thought instead of just blurting out "it never happened cuz it's stupid"?

Are you to tell me that a forum that purports itself to be "free-thinking" cannot muster up enough intellectual courage to tackle this question?

I'll ask the question one last time for your benefit and I hope you answer me honestly this time and not just dismiss it.

In the context of this just being a "made up story", Why would Pontius Pilate give the Jewish crowd, that was gathered outside, the choice of who should be freed and who should die? Why not just kill both Jesus and Barabbas? Why not just use his absolute authority in this matter? Why delegate this choice to the people he ruled?

Toto

OMG! U still don't get it!!1!

Pilate has no motivation. It doesn't matter what is in his mind. This isn't his story.

He is part of a cosmic drama in which Jesus will be sacrificed and another Jesus will bear the sins of Israel off into the wilderness.

Susan2

I would think that he was giving them an opportunity to redeem themselves, but I hardly think that they would get that they are like the very Jews that they accuse; do any of us?

It reminds me of the story of the little boy who had two fish (parents) and five loaves of bread (siblings) that fed the hungry multitudes.

Jesus called the little boy forward to share his food (family/story). Does the reader think to ask, “who is this little boy”, and if they do, what has their religion/culture/society told them?

Who is this little boy?

Sharks swim.

By the time the frenzied multitude has chewed it over, there are twelve baskets of fragments, of flesh and bone, gathered from the blood soaked ground.

Did the boy murder the family, or did the multitude? Did the high priest, and if so which one? Did Pilate (secular government), and if so which one? Were atheists in the multitude?

All for one, and one for all? The way we were, or the way we are?

In my mothers womb, you conceived me.

We are conceived in our mothers womb even before our mother exists to have a womb. We are conceived in our fathers mind, even before our fathers exist to have a mind.

Yom Kippur is coming up; maybe we can turn the story around. Maybe we could join the Jews in reflection and sorrow. Maybe we could donate blood, rather then spill it.

aa5874

You are not making any sense.

Once the Gospels are pure FANTASY, then why do you DARE entertain the FANTASY of figuring out the FANTASTIC?

Once you admit that nothing happened, you live in a world of FANTASY.

By the way, many Christians may live in a world of FANTASY and perhaps can tell you what was going through Pilate's head even though nothing ever happened.

The trial of Jesus appeared to have been manufactured from the HEBREW scripture, Psalms 22 and Isaiah included.

In stories of Fantasy where nothing happened, it is the author's head that we should be worried about.

tradewinds

Is there any poof that Jesus existed? We know Plato existed by other references to him, teaching from many sources sighting him. Is that true with Jesus? Why were these gospels written long after the death of Jesus? Who are Mark, Matthew, Luck and John, some told me the followers of Jesus; however, I doubt it, Jesus, most say died in 30 CE. The first gospel writer was Mark, who wrote around 70 CE. I doubt any were the original followers of Jesus. Another question, why did Jesus not write himself? Plato was a prolific writer, might Jesus not have known how to write?

If Jesus lived and was killed, as it states in the gospels, then it seems he was an outsider, or violator of the Jewish law. According to the bible, the Romans saw no fault in him, but the Jews wanted him dead.

I think he became popular as Rome began to fall, the new faith was a terrific pacifier! One should ponder how relevant the role of the christain religion was to maintain the Middle Ages.

aa5874

Your question may be rhetorical.

If there was proof Jesus existed then the boards would have been bombarded with the evidence. Apologist and HJers would have, perhaps hundreds of years ago, concretised their position.

The mere idea you asked the question is a very strong indication that no proof or credible source has yet been found.

JABcomix

Fail.:wave:

JABcomix

I was following along then I lost you in your rambling. I give you a C- for at least trying.

JABcomix

Fail.:wave: