Chili

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The academic words 'virgin intacta' makes reference to the physical virginity of females that points at a hymen wherein only females can be virgin, while the Immaculate Conception makes reference to the spiritual hymen in males, and in males only as a pre-requisite for rebirth from above as opposite to from below as per John 1:13.

Academics are physical and scientific as in touch-taste-and-see like panty-sniffers maybe, while virgin birth of the first-begotten son is meta-physical for which woman proper is liberated to conceive and bare the first conceived by way of rebirth unto him. Hence the son-ship line in Luke.

The child so is haploid via God first-cause to make rebirth known instead of fantasy. It is from the Greek word spermatozoon as 'living being' conceived instead of just a blow that science calls it in the abortion argument.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spermatozoon

. . . and here we argue over 'borrowed learning' still?

Chili

Yes Robert, but why call it continuity between Isis and Mary (with all respect to Isis).

Mary, or that which we call Mary has no affiliation with the world below and actually is the cause of Herod's supremacy as Lord himself. This concept is made known in Luke 1:25 where Elizabeth is Alma Mater that we know as the Immaculate Conception who's next of kin is the Virgin we know as theotokos, who eventually is set free in the TOK to bare the son of God on her behalf.

So now the 'next of kin' is maintained by the supremacy of Herod who's will Elizabeth made manifest in good faith by her reproach among men, that in turn equals the imprisonment of Mary that is maintained by Zechariah's prayer-life that we would call devout as priest before God in function, religiously, that makes Herod greater than Pilate here. I.o.w, Herod is total man in motion while Pilate was only TOK with no basis for religion (and thus would crucify the Jew in him)

This clearly point at tradition only and hence Zechariah was overcome with fear when he saw the angel standing there, that was a total shock to him. Then notice the words: "I AM Gabriel [first cause] from God" who will be made know 'first person' to the man and not the Jew that he proclaimed himself to be.

Gabriel identified herself "first-cause-from-God" and did not say 'go back to church you idiot, I have more passages for you to read,' (as he (sic) told Mohammed), to say that religion is the tool used to stir the Immanent Will that so makes religion man-made to encounter this salvific event, against reason, to be sure, that by force also will end his prayer life, and hence the no-speak Zechariah as liberated from faith, as seer now -- as opposite to Luther, for example, who was just pissed off at the church now as born again while he was reading passages when the angel of Light (as opposed to true light) got his attention then.

This so makes John and Jesus bosom buddies like twins in the mind of Joseph to issue forth the old in him that later became known as Christ in person, who was born in Bethlehem and was called Jesus to keep him under cover in 'his agency' as second Adam (insurrectionist) to set Christ free in the final end.

So Isis and Mary are identical in archetype but not in the typical wherein these two are enemies as religion specific now each with a heritage of their own . . . or Egypt would not be the land of 'exile' there and hence enemy by mimetic pathway carved that feeds the fire from within, here now in exile still.

In defense of this let me introduce Confusianism as a mode of behavior still in effect today in China, for example, where honor and respect is critical to save integrity that also has a 'chain of order' to make this transpersonal as an obligation to fulfill (think Zechariah here).

To note here that Confusionism contains an anti-West element that is culture driven and in fact is anti-West in the same way that Nazareth is anti-Egypt that feeds the anticlimax that we call hell today after Mary was crowned queen of Heaven and Earth to make this known (instead of just queen of heaven as before).

So I wanted to point out that archetypal bears witness to native to man as animal, but is not religion specific wherein Mary now is religion specific to qualify the Lamb of God and will reject the Son of Man as just the son of man.

Chili

I think the prefix 'perpetual'' is needed because [so called] Jesus promised he would come again, but only will be received by those who kept her virgin, as in each one of us, which now also means that every Saint in Heaven knows her as his very own Mediatrix.

It so, once again, removes the historic element of who She really is.

Chili

Sure, and for the temple veil to be rent it must be fully rent and not just torn in an evangelistic rally tent, which then is not until Jesus is crucified and died so that Jesus can walk right through the wall from left to right, now as equal with the father.

This so becomes the basis for the 'iota argument' as shown in John's post-resurrection verse 20:22 from which follows that Mary must necessarily be crowned queen of heaven and of earth, if indeed Christ stayed and only Jesus left (but crashed just over Egypt there, or so I have heard).

If you cf Luke 24:48 where the crowd who saw the event went home beating their own chest to show the victory instead of tragedy as compared with Matthew 27:51 where the now 'sudden rent' of the temple curtain in this Jesus (also known as his brother James) who was not prepared for this, and hence the earthquake and stuff like that all came his way, as if he got run over by the quantum mechanics train instead . . . and no doubt he closed his eyes and died from that.

Chili

The above by Graves is a plain insult to intelligence because if he understands the lineage of Luke where Jesus goes past all the ancients past Adam to God, it also means that 'woman' [universal] was there with him as the dowry in betrothal received when Christ was born, which is confirmed in John's prologue where Logos was present who is 'woman' so He could be the light of life for men . . . that shines in the darkness, to note, as 'the light' itself in knowledge 'retained' as confirmed in Gen.3:6 where 'the' woman (here generic now), 'saw' and sought to gain more wisdom etc.

Now if you follow this true, even the archetype cannot be borrowed as that is the physical made known when the archetype is found or else: what are you going to 'stuff' in it? Like a gorilla maybe as Hollywood did in Shirley MacLaine?


http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Reincarnation

(Just an example here of the warp that people entertain).

Chili

The presence of Mary transforms Christianity as cult into an Occult, which I suppose is a swear word around here, but She is the [only] who adds the mystery to faith and the rest is just surface showmanship, or BS in the colloquial.



http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/occult

Chili

Toto you have to make a distinction between woman and female here.

Woman here is womb of man as opposite to human wherein Mary is the purity of woman isolated and identified as such, by humans, to be sure, in a vision wherein she is real. This actually points a different realm of existence wherein only beauty and truth are real what they call supernatural, but is part of the natural since Christ moved to Rome, I suppose, why not, that makes Catholicism mystical or Occult instead of just a cult with wildfires going in all directions.

So there is no historic Mary, not was there a historic Isis, but they were/are equal in that what Isis was for the Egyptians is what Mary is for Catholics who so is local as the perfect image of mortal Beauty to be seen, always by locals throughout Christendom.