Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

You may bring out as many 'Christian' "versions" or 'translations' <sic> as you like.
My reading is from the Hebrew, I understand its words and their usages, I do not depend upon these 'Christian' garbage interpretations for understanding of any Hebrew or Greek texts.

My position is; (and I am rephrasing this to put it more gently) These ancient texts belong to and are the heritage and the public property of ALL of mankind,
The Hebrews first, and ALL of mankind through them. Every word, every -letter- is precious, to be preserved and to be defended.
(Common Hebrew position)

'Christians' do not have, nor hold any exclusive rights to the being accounted as the authoritative 'translators' of the ancient biblical texts.
Nor do 'Christian's' or 'Christian' theologians have, nor hold any exclusive rights to any claim to be the official interpreters of, or claims as to the intent of, or the application of anything, any word or phrase contained in any of these ancient writings.
Rather obviously, all of the so called OT writings far predated the both religion and the twisted theological claims of 'Christianity'.
From its beginning 'Christianity' has through 'translation' deliberately distorted and misrepresented the OT (TaNaKa texts) to validate their imaginatively contrived theological claims.
In regard of the so-called 'New Testement' writings, the 'Christian' theology and religion are simply thieves.
The NT Messianic Jewish writings were not composed by 'Christians', and should not be subjected to any latter contrived 'Christian' doctrines or dogmas.

Most of the Messianic believers living in the first century, in their situ, lived out their entire lives without even so much as hearing of the word/name 'Christian', much less identifying themselves by this Johnny-come-lately imposed foreign political appellation. (Acts 11:26)
My position is quite simple. Christians as a group, are liars, thieves, extortioners, and murderers, as they have proven to be from their beginnings. No amounts of frosting will ever serve to conceal their evil and poisonous cake.
ALL of them together, with out exception, and regardless of what they may call themselves, or their denominations, are ALL the progeny of either the whoring 'Mother church' or her whore daughters. (Rev 17:5)
They screwed with the texts in the beginning, and they are still attempting to screw with and manipulate the texts to further their bogus theological claims.

Some, knowing no better, swallow their devious tripe, and support and further their claims and holds upon men's minds.
But in the end, the subterfuge will be found out. 'Christianity' will be discredited and put to open public shame, and every person willingly associated with it will be held in permanent contempt by future generations.
The ancient cry is "Come OUT of her..." (Rev 18:4)
Every wise bird, that has sight, will see, and that has hearing will hear, and will fly from the snare.
Every honest person will consider, and save themselves from out of the laid trap.
Outside there is freedom and there is no condemnation. Inside is death with everlasting shame.
Anything is better than being named a 'Christian', or receiving its T mark.
Fly, fly away, and escape little birds.

Originally Posted by hjalti

What I would love to see is a list of some good passages that one could check in new translations and see if they are more interested in selling bibles than translating honestly, and maybe followed with an explanation of why the translators might not want to translate it correctly. Something like this:

1. Deu 32:9 according to the number of....
Good: sons of El (or something similar).
Bad: sons of Israel (or something similar)

2. ???

Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

It does not of course follow, that all interpretations as they choose to interpret, will be equally valid, or right, or honest.
More trash, stupid 'interpretations' are being fashioned every single day, and there always enough suckers and sycophants to fall for and pay their lip-service to they know not what.
The ancient texts in the original language remain the standard.
One may strive to accurately translate their content, or one may SUBSTITUTE personal or collective religious opinion and interpretation for conveying accurately the content of the original base text. Most modern versions 'translations' <sic> are moving ever further towards the latter.
Accuracy, and maintenance of the original ideas, thoughts, and idiomatic expressions demands staying as faithful as humanly possible to an accurate and unbiased, unreligiously, unsectarian influenced -TRANSLATION- of the actual textual content, not substituting ones religious views, opinions or personal or collective 'interpretations' for the words anciently written.
Allow the texts speak for themselves, and in their own peculiar idioms. It is the obligation of the teacher to preserve, [I]the details of these things, and to cherish this accurate knowledge for the sake of knowledge, and for personal integrity.
Anything else is a thinly veiled attempt to substitute religious opinion for text, and pass the result off as being the 'text' of inspired Scripture, to the detriment of maintaining knowledge and honesty among men.
Some, not liking the actual written content of Scripture, because "as it is WRITTEN" it does not conform to their religious predilections, labor to 'revise' and 'improve' upon the actual sayings to bring them into line with their (modern) theological opinions. This is dishonest. And a distortion of the original writings.

Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

Hebrew;
ויאמר אלי בן־אדם עמד על־רגליך ואדבר אתך׃

"And He said to me, "Son of man, stand on your feet, and I will speak to you."

That is not so difficult, most translations have managed to get it right for the last 2000 years.

There is no pressing need to eliminate the ancient idiomatic expression that occurs 193 times within the recieved texts of the Bible-
and hundreds of additional times within ancient texts omitted from 'Christian' 'Bibles'.

The term "son of man" as it is presented, belongs in any text purporting to be a 'translation' of the original texts.
IF it is not present in the receiving language, the text being presented is NOT properly a translation but a substituted 'interpretation' or outright omission.


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Originally Posted by Iskander

Human is a as good as mortal, or son of Adam or ...


Ezekiel 2:1 is translated in the Jewish Study Bible as:
And He said to me,” O mortal stand up on your feet that I may speak to you”
The notes explaining the translation say “Son of Adam” or “human” or mortal.



Ezekiel 2:1 is translated in the new Oxford annotated bible as;
He said to me: O mortal, stand up on your feet, and I will speak with you.
The notes explaining the translation say: Or son of man, Heb ben adam

Originally Posted by spin

Why don't we start a list?

Originally Posted by hjalti

Why don't we! I added one more:

1. Gen 1:1,
   In the beginning god created...
   In the beginning when god created... or ... of god's creating...
   
2. Deu 32:9,
   sons of El,
   sons of Israel
   
3. Ps. 22:16,
   "pierced"
   
4. Is. 7:14,
   "virgin",
   "young woman"
   
5. Dan 9:25,
   "seven weeks (sevens) and sixty-two weeks (sevens);...", (allowing the 7 & 62 to be added together, separating the 62 from what follows)
   "seven weeks (sevens); and sixty-two weeks (sevens)..."
   
6. Ps. 82:1,
   judges,
   gods

Originally Posted by Iskander

Only one?