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Old 09-11-2010, 08:42 AM   #21
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But, how could Jesus have been mistaken, when all of the prophecies that are in the Bible have been fulfilled in the Bible? :hylidae:
I dunno, Jesus predicted the destruction of Jerusalem but that was probably written after the fact.
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And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, 42Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes. 43For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, 44And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
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Or it could mean the generation that witnesses the tribulation which has not yet happened. Some future generation.
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The Greek word is genea. What about that word or the context given in Mark implies a future generation?

Some apologists have declared that genea should be translated "race", as in the Jewish race or the entire race of humans, but I don't know of a single Bible translation that substitutes "race" for "generation".
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This should be mandatory at every Christian funeral.:devil1:

Matthew 8:21/22
Another disciple said to him, "Lord, first let me go and bury my father."
But Jesus told him, "Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead."
Google "aramaic idioms" and this verse may be seen in a different light.
I have.
So it's just possible the man's father wasn't yet dead. So what!
Shouldn't this man have been with his father as he was dying?

And why did Jesus tell him the dead should bury the dead?
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My favorite "damning" verse is Deut. 32:8-9, which in its Septuagint translation reveals that Yahweh was just one of the many sons of El and that he was given Israel as his own personal people to rule over:

When the Most High (Elyon) allotted peoples for inheritance,

When He divided up humanity,

He fixed the boundaries for peoples,

According to the number of the divine sons:

For Yahweh’s portion is his people,

Jacob His own inheritance.
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Google "aramaic idioms" and this verse may be seen in a different light.
I have.
So it's just possible the man's father wasn't yet dead. So what!
Shouldn't this man have been with his father as he was dying?
I don't know. Maybe the father wasn't dying at all but this was some expression which we don't know the precise meaning of. Two thousand years from now if someone comes across the idiom, "Up the creek without a paddle" in a particular writing they may be equally perplexed of it's contextual meaning.

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And why did Jesus tell him the dead should bury the dead?
Don't know. Let the spiritually dead bury the dead?
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My favorite "damning" verse is Deut. 32:8-9, which in its Septuagint translation reveals that Yahweh was just one of the many sons of El and that he was given Israel as his own personal people to rule over:

When the Most High (Elyon) allotted peoples for inheritance,

When He divided up humanity,

He fixed the boundaries for peoples,

According to the number of the divine sons:

For Yahweh’s portion is his people,

Jacob His own inheritance.
This concept is also found in John 10:34

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I like the direct contradictions, of which there are many. Two obvious pairs are:

Genealogy of Jesus in Matthew 1
Genealogy of Jesus in Luke 3
(not to mention, these are actually genealogies of Joseph, and Jesus was supposedly not a biological descendant of Joseph, but I'm willing to see that as more of a modern concern than a concern of society contemporary w/ the story)

Matthew 12:30 "He who is not with me is against me"
Mark 9:40 "for whoever is not against us is for us"
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Matthew 12:30 "He who is not with me is against me"
Mark 9:40 "for whoever is not against us is for us"
This one is my favourite, too. If I'm neutral, precisely which side am I on?
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Matthew 12:30 "He who is not with me is against me"
Mark 9:40 "for whoever is not against us is for us"
This one is my favourite, too. If I'm neutral, precisely which side am I on?
My favorite is Luke 19:27. This bloodthirsty quote is central to Abrahamic religion and is quite specific. If you aren't with us you deserve to die.

The same applies to Judgement Day and nearly everyone's final destination, hell.
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Eat your son's and daughters: "I will see to it that your enemies lay siege to the city until all the food is gone. Then those trapped inside will have to eat their own sons and daughters and friends. They will be driven to utter despair." (Jeremiah 19:6-9 NLT)

God kills 185,000: "The angel of the Lord went forth and struck down one hundred and eighty-five thousand in the Assyrian camp. Early the next morning they were there, all the corpses of the dead. " (Isaiah 37:36 NAB)

God holds a grudge: "They may try to rebuild, but I will demolish them again! Their country will be known as 'The Land of Wickedness,' and their people will be called 'The People with Whom the LORD Is Forever Angry.'" (Malachi 1:2-4 NLT)

Gods unquenchable anger: "So the Sovereign LORD says: "I will pour out my terrible fury on this place. Its people, animals, trees, and crops will be consumed by the unquenchable fire of my anger." (Jeremiah 7:20 NLT)

Mass killings: "They will bury so many bodies in Topheth that there won't be room for all the graves. The corpses of my people will be food for the vultures and wild animals, and no one will be left to scare them away. I will put an end to the happy singing and laughter in the streets of Jerusalem. The joyful voices of bridegrooms and brides will no longer be heard in the towns of Judah. The land will lie in complete desolation." (Jeremiah 7:32-34 NLT)

Makes a joke out of killing: "A third of your people will die in the city from famine and disease. A third of them will be slaughtered by the enemy outside the city walls. And I will scatter a third to the winds and chase them with my sword. Then at last my anger will be spent, and I will be satisfied. And when my fury against them has subsided, all Israel will know that I, the LORD, have spoken to them in my jealous anger. "So I will turn you into a ruin, a mockery in the eyes of the surrounding nations and to everyone who travels by. You will become an object of mockery and taunting and horror. You will be a warning to all the nations around you. They will see what happens when the LORD turns against a nation in furious rebuke. I, the LORD, have spoken! " (Ezekiel 5:11-15)

Carry away people with fish hooks: "Behold, the days are coming upon you When they will take you away with meat hooks, And the last of you with fish hooks. You will go out {through} breaches {in the walls,} Each one straight before her, And you will be cast to Harmon, declares the LORD." (Amos 4:1-3 NAS)

Slavery OK: "When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property." Exodus 21:20-21 NAB

Discrimination: "No child of an incestuous union may be admitted into the community of the Lord, nor any descendant of his even to the tenth generation." (Deuteronomy 23:3 NAB)

No handicapped allowed: "No one whose testicles have been crushed or whose penis has been cut off may be admitted into the community of the Lord." (Deuteronomy 23:2 NAB)

Kill your sons: "Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son who will not obey his father or mother, even though they discipline him. Then all the men of the town must stone him to death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil from among you, and all Israel will hear about it and be afraid." (Deuteronomy 21:18-21 NLT)

Eat your son's and daughters 2: "He brought down upon us evils so great that there has not been done anywhere under heaven what has been done in Jerusalem, as was written in the law of Moses: that one after another of us should eat the flesh of his son or of his daughter." (Baruch 2:1-4 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals: "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Slavery is OK: "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ." (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Kill them all...except the virgins: "Now kill all the men, boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves." (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)
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