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Clivedurdle · 04-29-2008, 12:45 PM

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How about those bad boys from space, the Nephilim ( Anunnaki )...

http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/deliri...iew.asp?Post=3

We have discussed the sons of gods here recently.

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Sons of God in Genesis and the Dead Sea Scrolls
I was reading an article an article by Ronald Hendel, who relates the Genesis "Sons of God" passage to a fragment of Deuteronomy found at Qumran. In the Hebrew bible, Deuteronomy 32:8 reads "sons of Israel" but in one of the Dead Sea Scroll fragments, the passage reads "Sons of God," identical to the Genesis story (6:1-4) of the "Sons of God" ("bene ha 'elohim") who "cavorted with the daughters of men."

Are not nephilim the offspring of the sons of god and the daughters of men?

Clivedurdle · 04-29-2008, 12:52 PM

Wiki does not mention the Basilisk and the Bible. Might a translator have known their Pliny and made a guess?

Although

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ABSTRACT: There is an increasing amount of archaeological and linguistic evidence that pterosaurs (flying reptiles) were mentioned by several authors of Scripture. This introductory article will deal with some of those biblical words and what I've learned about them from word studies and archaeology. The scientific basis for this study has been established by articles for peer-reviewed scientific publications for both secular and creation groups. The spiritual symbolism for these animals and cultural relevance during the biblical era will also be looked at. Finally, some implications from this knowledge will be examined.

http://www.rae.org/pteroets.html

Clivedurdle · 04-29-2008, 01:16 PM

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October 1st.—We started by moonlight and arrived at the Rio Tercero by sunrise. The river is also called the Saladillo, and it deserves the name, for the water is brackish. I stayed here the greater part of the day, searching for fossil bones. Besides a perfect tooth of the Toxodon, and many scattered bones, I found two immense skeletons near each other, projecting in bold relief from the perpendicular cliff of the Parana. They were, however, so completely decayed, that I could only bring away small fragments of one of the great molar teeth; but these are sufficient to show that the remains belonged to a Mastodon, probably to the same species with that, which formerly must have inhabited the Cordillera in Upper Peru in such great numbers. The men who took me in the canoe, said they had long known of these skeletons, and had often wondered how they had got there: the necessity of a theory being felt, they came to the conclusion that, like the bizcacha, the mastodon was formerly a burrowing animal! In the evening we rode another stage, and crossed the Monge, another brackish stream, bearing the dregs of the washings of the Pampas.

Beagle Ch VII

http://www.bartleby.com/29/7.html

Potoooooooo · 04-29-2008, 01:17 PM

So is Satyr a fair translation of Se'irim?Did the ancient Israelites believe half human creatures roamed the wastelands? What do modern Christians and Jews believe these creatures were?

Ben C Smith · 04-29-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Potoooooooo

So is Satyr a fair translation of Se'irim?Did the ancient Israelites believe half human creatures roamed the wastelands? What do modern Christians and Jews believe these creatures were?

All throughout the legal texts this word is used for a (sacrificed) male goat. (Refer, for one example out of many, to Leviticus 4.24.) As a result, it is often supposed, I think, that the ruins in Isaiah are imagined as being inhabited by wild goats.

Ben.

Clivedurdle · 04-29-2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Potoooooooo

So is Satyr a fair translation of Se'irim?Did the ancient Israelites believe half human creatures roamed the wastelands? What do modern Christians and Jews believe these creatures were?

Is it? Are goat demons and satyrs the same things?

We need a timeline of beliefs - our thinking has been corrupted by later ideas, foreign ideas and poor translations,

Potoooooooo · 04-29-2008, 02:58 PM

So what were the Se'irim to the ancient Hebrews?

xaxxat · 04-30-2008, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

Are not nephilim the offspring of the sons of god and the daughters of men?

Yep, my bad. The Nephilim would be their gigantic offspring...

Clivedurdle · 05-01-2008, 11:53 AM

Hey I am loving this thread, let's have some responses! Is what I quoted about Lilith correct for example?

Is the problem about successive generations guessing what might be meant by these words?

Burrowing mastodons and goat demons!

(And the disoverer of LSD has just died!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon

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Bronze mastodon statues at Lubbock Lake Landmark.

Mastodons are thought to have first appeared almost four million years ago. They were native to both Eurasia and North America but died out in Eurasia approximately three million years ago - fossils having been found in England, Germany,

Clivedurdle · 05-01-2008, 12:04 PM

Oh and there is a direct link between the mastodon and Cyclops - the skull of a mastodon looks like a one eyed giant!

http://www.ansp.org/museum/jefferson...history-01.php

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Giants were popular in the folklore of many cultures. Indeed, Edward Taylor invoked Native American legends of human giants in his account of the "Giant of Claverack." They were also prominent in the two pillars of Western Civilization: the Classics of Ancient Greece and Rome, and the teachings of the Church. For instance, many ancient Romans and Hellenistic Greeks believed that gigantic Cyclops were the first inhabitants of Sicily. Accounts of giants can also be found in the works of Virgil, Pliny and Homer. Christian references to giants extended from its early years to well into the 18th century. For example, Saint Augustine described a gigantic "human" molar and wrote of an antediluvian race of long-lived giants in his 413 A.D. masterwork, The City of God. In 1665, the Jesuit scholar Athanasius Kircher provided a compilation of giant accounts. He criticized some accounts that he believed exaggerated their size, but never called into question their existence.

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