Jadea

So in essence your saying Adam had a religion so therefore he knew sin because of it. I think, we all have a concience and that is what should make us aware of right and wrong, but, as we all know the concience can be hardened and therefore do acts which not only hurt others but also our self.
Man would like to make his own rules and does this frequently to suit his own desires, but in the end finds that he is the loser . We must do our best in the life we are given and the rest is up to God.

IvanJames

Um, no, the writers of this fictional book had a religion.

---Ivan James

Chili

The fall of man is when man became hu-man to gain a self awarenes = ego identity = persona = the conscious mind there called the Tree of Knowledge. The woman in the Tree of Life saw that the TOK was good for gaining food, wisdom and beauty and thus enhance the image of man-as-God as it exists in the Tree of Life. She is right, and there is no argument here because the TOK is good to enrich the TOL where knowledge is tied down for generations to come. It is called our soul from where knowledge is available to us, but only via inspiration and intuition because there is enmity between the 'two serpents' that are in charge of these data banks (and between Herod and Pilate as responsible designates).

Religion was introduced to help restore this division and called the stand-off between these two minds the fall of man. This allowed them to attach a negative connotation to the concept sin and put [more or less arbitrary] Laws in place to serve as the instrument needed by the TOL to convict the TOK of being the impersonator he really was and so bring about the at-one-ment of these two hemispheres. In this sense is religion meant to serve as a vehicle to arrive at a final destiny (final in being eternal).

Our conscience may seem real because it is retained in our soul (written upon the heart of man as if in stone) but is an illusion nonetheless and therefore can erode. The good thing about this is that if it can erode it can also be annihilated for which, according to the hight priests in Mat. 27:64, it is important that the impersonator does his time in the netherworld where the mystery of faith must be unraveled.

I have no objection to your notion that things can go wrong with an eroded conscience -- which gets much worse if we do harm to others.

Chili

My position here is that God created the idea of existence by describing its essence and Lord God formed man after the image of God. It is what has become know as the Idealist postion (so they tell me) as opposed to the Materialist point of view. The fact is that Christianity is not a religion but the end of religion in Christendom.

Eden is the reality of man later called richess in heaven wherein each generation contributes its own layer to make "heavens" plural and round as opposed to "earth" singular and flat in Gen 1:1.

More like God is the essence of the garden and she is his beauty to water the garden of the Lord wherein the essence of God is to be found in truth.

Chili

The question "who told you that you were naked" spells the dual nature of man with the "woman" being first nature and Adam the second nature who later took the serpent to be his wife and called here Eve.

Fallen nature itself is not sin but the division in our mind made it possible to sin . . . which is good since all is created in the conflict between these two minds (two Stands in the Rout) that later is formed by the works of human hands and to which evil is added outside Eden in the mind of the materialist.

Chili

I'll take this one step further and introduce the HS as the enigmatic messenger between these two minds who 'comes along' only when rational activities are relaxed instead of aroused. Free contemplative thoughts are beneficial here such as when pondering the mysteries of faith while doing the 'beads' or when contemplating our destiny during 'Latin' mass. This would be most unlike bible reading and alley dancing employed to get the HS down from heaven (to forcibly snare the HS by the faculty of reason is to commit the sin against the HS).

But that is just my opinion.

Jadea

Well Chili you certainly have a way with words. Do you really believe what you are saying. I think you probably do or you wouldn't write as you do. My question is what is the answer in laymans term I mean what about scripture that says we are to come to God as a child. Man is always seeking, and likes to make mountains out of mole hills. Why so complicated ?

Chili

That's just a trick I learned when I sold vacuum cleaners.

Agemegos

Does it? I always heard that it meant 'red earth' or 'clay'.

Diogenes the Cynic

Adam means "man."

adom means "red" or "ruddy."

It is fashionable among some white supremacist types to claim that Adam was actually named Adom because he had a "ruddy" complexion. It's the kind of misinformation that can get separated from its context (nazi mythology and pseudo linguistics) and float around as a fake fact that gets repeated (innocently) by people who don't know where the meme came from.