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Old 01-17-2013, 04:19 PM   #11
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Yet another proof that the 'parody defense' is a mask for intellectual dishonesty.
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So are parodist and satirists necessarily intellectually dishonest people?

I thought you liked Mel Brooks?

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Rhetoric does not get you anywhere, because
Hitler and Mussolini are just as good at rhetoric.
But if you can bring these people down with comedy,
they stand no chance
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I was once at a DSS conference in Gothenburg I think. Shiffman was in the audience and snored through the whole presentation, only to wake up and ask the most brilliant question ... you can't imitate Shiffman, one of a kind
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Golb's conviction has been upheld, except for one of the felony counts.

Hershel Shanks: inaccurate title "Dead Sea Scrolls Scholar’s Son Off to Jail"

Robert Cargill's blog contains links to the decision and a comment from Steven Avery.
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Robert Cargill's blog contains links to the decision .....
According to the court's decision ....

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Defendant’s principal defense was that these emails were only intended to be satiric hoaxes or pranks. However, as it has been observed in the context of trademark law, “[a] parody must convey two simultaneous – and contradictory – messages: that it is the original, but also that it is not the original and is instead a parody” (Cliffs Notes, Inc. v Bantam Doubleday Dell Pub. Group, Inc., 886 F2d 490, 494 [2d Cir 1989]).

Here, the evidence clearly established that defendant never intended any kind of parody. Instead, he only intended to convey the first message to the readers of the emails, that is, that the purported authors were the actual authors. It was equally clear that defendant intended that the recipients’ reliance on this deception would cause harm to the purported authors and benefits to defendant or his father.

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Golb was convicted of 2 felony counts and 28 misdemeanors, and was sentenced to six months in prison and five years of probation, in addition to incurring the cost of a jury trial defense and an appeal.

What is the typical sentencing (i.e. months in prison) for a FIRST TIME physical assault with or without a weapon in NYC?
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Top identity theft charge tossed in Dead Sea Scrolls cyber-bully case

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His lawyer, Ronald Kuby, called the panel's decision a blow to the First Amendment rights on the Internet, and said he would immediately appeal in hopes of keeping his client at liberty.

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The panel did toss the top identity theft conviction against Golb, explaining that the DA's office failed to prove that Golb had tried to defraud anyone out of $1,000 or more.
Conviction of cyberbully who harassed New York University professor and academic rival of his father mostly upheld by appeals court
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“We’re gratified the court recognized there was no financial motive behind Golb’s participation in this academic controversy,” said his lawyer, Ron Kuby.

“Unfortunately, the court has permitted the prosecution of anyone who blogs or writes under a name other than his own. Not even China has gone that far,” Kuby added.
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Can anyone over there advise what is the typical sentencing (i.e. months in prison) for a FIRST TIME physical assault (with or without a weapon) in NYC?

I am attempting to place the sentencing of Golb into some kind of perspective. Thanks.
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Can anyone over there advise what is the typical sentencing (i.e. months in prison) for a FIRST TIME physical assault (with or without a weapon) in NYC?

I am attempting to place the sentencing of Golb into some kind of perspective. Thanks.
Let me google that for you:

http://www.libraryindex.com/pages/25...ME-SERVED.html

My feeling about this case (based only on somewhat outdated experience with the system) is that the judge and prosecutor were most influenced by the fact that Golb has shown no remorse, no indication that he thinks that anything he did was at all wrong.

But I doubt that Golb will serve much time in jail, if any. The taxpayers don't like to provide free room and board for people who aren't a real threat to society.

He will appeal, and even if he loses on appeal, he will have to be resentenced since the sentence was based on two felony convictions, one of which was overturned.
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Wired quotes Eugene Volokh, who I think tends toward libertarianism:

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The key point is this: “The First Amendment protects the right to criticize another person, but it does not permit anyone to give an intentionally false impression that the source of the message is that other person.” And I think that’s quite right, even after United States v. Alvarez (the Stolen Valor Act case).

Intentionally trying to make others believe that someone did something (write an e-mail) that he did not inflicts specific harm on that other person, whether by harming his reputation or at least by making others think that he believes something that he doesn’t (which will often be civilly actionable under the false light tort). To be sure, that usually leads to civil liability, but nothing in the Court’s decision suggests that criminal liability in such cases is impermissible, especially when the law is limited to relatively clearly identifiable falsehoods, such as falsely claiming to be someone you are not.
The comments contain Golb's side of the case (possibly written by him?)
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Mixed decision in phony Scrolls email appeal

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Golb had asked the appeals court to overturn his conviction partly on the grounds that his emails were protected by free speech rights.

The court found that the First Amendment "protects the right to criticize another person, but it does not permit anyone to give an intentionally false impression that the source of the message is that other person."

It added that Golb also gave up his constitutional protections by intending "to cause harm ... including damage to the careers and livelihoods of the scholars he impersonated."

Internet impersonation claims have generated a number of lawsuits, but prosecutions are unusual unless phony identities are used to steal money, experts say.
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