Originally Posted by outhouse

...what I see is the events at the temple in front of possibly 400,000 witnesses, is jesus fighting the corruption in the temple due to the roman infection, and this spread the oral tradition within the jewish and roman communities..

Originally Posted by outhouse

I told you bud, each legend has to stand under its own merit after study.

we cant nor do, lump them togther. that would be bad scholarships





because there were many myths about a flood, and the wording is identical in places from Ziusudras ride on a barge on the Euphrates in 2900 BC

The man is real found on a Sumerians kings list, and the flood is attested in archeology and written in mythology by Sumerians


and we see that myrthology evolve in mesopotamian mythology almost a 1000 years before Isrealites write their version almost word for word.

Isrealites had no idea there was a historical core, but hey used that mythology as their forfathers did.

the Isrealite legend matches in many places word for word from the original, as many aspects made it 1000 years in written and oral tradition told arouind campfires.

You want a book dont you


Ill say for multiple reasons.

Legends told by different authors from different sources at different times that almost all describe the same thing. And I understand Gmark is the foundation, the other authors used, but hey did add what they thought was different in their version.

and of course taking into account the older the kegend the lager it will get.


roman emporers were called "sons of god" and were living mortals.

romans wrote about jesus, not all jews, and these romans were competeing with other mortal men with jesus divinity, which they attributed to mortals in their hellenistic mythology.

Josephas mentions people in the early mnovement in negative ways like christos, which almost a dirty word

romans would not deify a jewish peasant teacher healer who worked only for dinner scraps.




what I see is the events at the temple in front of possibly 400,000 witnesses, is jesus fighting the corruption in the temple due to the roman infection, and this spread the oral tradition within the jewish and roman communities

and that is exactly what we see in the writings left over written decades after the supposed facts

Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

I understand the mythicist position to be very simple and completely in accord with church doctrine over the millennia - Christ is fully god and fully man.

There is a tiny difference in how this state of affairs came to be. The xian view is that God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son etc.

My position is that we are looking at story and myth and dream, of god with us, of lions laying down with lambs, without a vision the people perish.

A historical Jesus as some idea of history always needs founder, some kind of grit in the pearl is both blasphemous to xians and unnecessary logically.

Originally Posted by maryhelena

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. . .. If Brodie can no longer teach this theology, that the Word became Flesh - then how come he still has his job?

Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

Man or myth, for christianity it doesn't make any difference in the end as long as it can serve the religionists as rationalization for their power grabs and political goals.

About the last thing powerful Christian leaders and their mega-churches would ever want is for any real Jesus to ever actually return and put an end to that religious scam they long been running.
No matter what they might claim, the propagation of the myth of Jesus -endlessly- is what they are really after, As the arrival of any real and living Jesus Christ to establish his world-wide Kingdom under the rule of twelve revived 1st century Jews, with the twelve Tribes of Israel ruling over all of the nations, would put these pagan christian religious profiteers permanently out of business, and they know it.

Originally Posted by outhouse

and this is true for much of history, and historical people. You cant dig up some mud and have it dated and say yep there was a flood at this exact time.


but we have so many elements that line up for jesus and his historicity. Really there is nothing out of place and every single attempt by mythers creates bigger questions harder to answer by their attempt that mathmatically doesnt cut it.


Just to show you how well things are recorded and what we know about passover events.

there was a old man trampled near a gate at the temple, during a very crowded passover. This passover took on a few nickname's due to one mans death 2000 years ago who was unimportant. But now lives on forever in history.

No different with jesus, were talking about a nobody teacher begging for food scraps so he and his 3-4 fishermen buddies could survive, no one would lift a eyebrow to due to his theology which really wasnt special, in fact it was common. and in a sea of 400,000 people, this jew was flat invisible, coming and going.

Had he not been put on a cross fighting the corruption in the temple due to the roman infection, not a soul would have ever remebered him. Only in his heroic actions fighting over money was he martyered as a messiah trying to do away with the evil oppressors. It didnt take long before like living roman emporers, he was claimed to be "a son of god"

theres your kernal

Originally Posted by outhouse

and this is true for much of history, and historical people. You cant dig up some mud and have it dated and say yep there was a flood at this exact time.


but we have so many elements that line up for jesus and his historicity. Really there is nothing out of place and every single attempt by mythers creates bigger questions harder to answer by their attempt that mathmatically doesnt cut it.


Just to show you how well things are recorded and what we know about passover events.

there was a old man trampled near a gate at the temple, during a very crowded passover. This passover took on a few nickname's due to one mans death 2000 years ago who was unimportant. But now lives on forever in history.

No different with jesus, were talking about a nobody teacher begging for food scraps so he and his 3-4 fishermen buddies could survive, no one would lift a eyebrow to due to his theology which really wasnt special, in fact it was common. and in a sea of 400,000 people, this jew was flat invisible, coming and going.

Had he not been put on a cross fighting the corruption in the temple due to the roman infection, not a soul would have ever remebered him. Only in his heroic actions fighting over money was he martyered as a messiah trying to do away with the evil oppressors. It didnt take long before like living roman emporers, he was claimed to be "a son of god"

theres your kernal