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Old 09-23-2009, 03:24 PM   #21
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Good grief I am not seeing an answer to the problem.

The text clearly states that they should take a staff and the other says do not take a staff that has not been addressed.
Read within my last post, I've highlighted the areas for you. Take nothing on your journey.
You are merely repeating the problem and giving no answer.

Yes Luke says Take NOTHING on your journey that is also supported by Matthew.

However Mark specifically points out " Take NOTHING on your journey BUT A MERE STAFF.

The answer is unsatisfactory and has not relieved the problem at all.
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Old 09-23-2009, 05:07 PM   #22
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The point is that saying PI = 3 is totally useless for anyone who needs to use PI in practise, and PI was known in a huge amount of digits even in hundreds of years BC.
Yes, glad we agree.

But the Bible wasn't doing that, was it?
It wasn't a building manual for the practical construction of round objects.

It just gave a loose description of an object, with values to 1 significant figure, which imply Pi is 3.

Which is correct.
Pi is 3.
To one significant figure.

(Pi is not 2.99 - so if it had said that, yes, that would be in error, obviously.)

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so i guess we agree on that the bible gives a loose but not accurate description, despite some saying it is inerrant.

there isnt any magic in that "one significant figure" Pi=3 is wrong.

if you said Pi=3.49999, rounded to one sig fig would be 3 also but even more wrong than than 2.99.

only next question is now many more other errors in the perfect bible, and how big.
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Old 09-23-2009, 08:46 PM   #23
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If a C.E.O of a company says his company is worth $1,000 when it's really worth $999.90, is he lying and inaccurate?
Hmmmm.....yes. That $.10 may not seem like much, but since some companies usually gross somewhere in the millions to billions annually, your probably looking at thousands of dollars that's going somewhere. This, of course, calls into question his financial sheets that investors are looking at if its a pubicly traded company. Lying on those can bring the SEC down on you pretty quickly these days if your a US company.

Let's put it this way, I wouldn't want to be that companies accountant, that's for sure. And I sure as hell wouldn't trust that person with my cash.

Okay, now back to your regularly scheduled thread. Sorry for the derail, but it seemed important to me.
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there isnt any magic in that "one significant figure" Pi=3 is wrong.
This is basic math.

Pi is 3, to one significant figure.


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Old 09-24-2009, 06:33 AM   #25
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there isnt any magic in that "one significant figure" Pi=3 is wrong.
This is basic math.

Pi is 3, to one significant figure.


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I doubt any of us here need a basic math lesson.

Did you notice tho, that Pi as derived from the bible is 3.000000000000000, to as many sig figs as you like?

That the number is incorrect as in error, as in not perfect?


Its for those who say the bible is inerrant. There is an error.

Its about the simplest and most obvious error in the book. Why argue it?
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Who cares!!!! Why are we arguing over pi? Maybe the Bible got it wrong, maybe the scribes who copied the Bible were too lazy to finish the rest, maybe God rounded up.

The point is is that even if its true that the Bible states that pi=3 instead of 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375 1058209749445923078164 06286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647 09384460950582231725359408128

its still not importiant enough to argue over.
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One theory about the "mission" passages is that they reflect a tradition of wandering prophets similar to the Cynics, connected to the hypothetical Q writings. But I don't think we have to look far for OT precedents, some of the classic prophets were ascetics or rootless (eg Elijah)
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Who cares!!!! Why are we arguing over pi? Maybe the Bible got it wrong, maybe the scribes who copied the Bible were too lazy to finish the rest, maybe God rounded up.

The point is is that even if its true that the Bible states that pi=3 instead of 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375 1058209749445923078164 06286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647 09384460950582231725359408128

its still not importiant enough to argue over.
Not arguing over the value of Pi!

Note the previous post...."Its for those who say the bible is inerrant. There is an error."

looks like the person for whom this was a problem is gone now anyway.
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I doubt any of us here need a basic math lesson.
You do.
You keep ignoring the basic concept of the number of significant figures.


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Did you notice tho, that Pi as derived from the bible is 3.000000000000000, to as many sig figs as you like?
See - that's where you keep going wrong.

The Bible gives ONE significant figure only.
The Bible does NOT give 15 significant figures.
You are mistaken.

The Bible implies Pi is 3.
Which is correct, to one significant figure.


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That the number is incorrect as in error, as in not perfect?
Wrong.
The Bible gives one significant figure in it's descriptions.
And Pi is 3 to one significant figure.
The Bible is correct here.


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Its for those who say the bible is inerrant. There is an error.
Its about the simplest and most obvious error in the book. Why argue it?
It's not an error.

Pi is 3 to one significant figure.
But clearly, you will never accept this simple math concept because it is so important to you to never admit the Bible is right on anything.


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Who cares!!!! Why are we arguing over pi? Maybe the Bible got it wrong, maybe the scribes who copied the Bible were too lazy to finish the rest, maybe God rounded up.
Some of us like to get the facts right, even the small ones.
Others are more interested in preaching how the Bible is always wrong.

But in THIS case - the Bible is correct :
it gives ONE significant figure,
and Pi IS 3 to one significant figure.

Is the concept of significant figures really unknown to readers here?


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