aa5874

But, a person whose actual name is Christus, not at all related to Jesus Christ, the anointed one, or the Messiah, his name would be still be written as Christus in Latin, not transliterated to Christ.

The "Christus" in Annals 15.44 may have been the actual name of the person, just like many persons were called Jesus having no direct relation to Jesus of the NT.

But in any event, your claim that Christus in Annals 15.44 is Jesus Christ of the NT is completely faith-based speculation, it is not even certain that such a figure, Jesus of the NT, ever existed. And so far I cannot find any credible non-apologetic source that can account for Jesus of the NT as an apparition or in any other form.

Ben C Smith

A person whose actual name is Christus... in what language?

If Latin, then of course it could be written as Christ in English, just as one most frequently writes Vergilius as Vergil.

If Greek, how? Greek has no letter C.

If English, that is just silly. English did not exist back then.

Ben.

aa5874

May I still remind you that your claim that "Christus" in Annals 15.44 is "Jesus Christ of the NT" is without merit, just baseless idle faith-based speculation. You cannot show that Jesus of the NT existed at all and further, you cannot tell with any certainty the significance of the word "Christus", whether it was used a title or it was the actual name of a person.

Amaleq13

I think he is confusing Tacitus' "Christus" with Suetonius' "Chrestus".

Ben C Smith

That may be. I think he is also confusing argument with mantra.

Ben.

aa5874

Well, this is your documented baseless faith-based mantra:

Ben C Smith

Ah, you caught me out.

Yes, it is purely my faith that leads me to identify (A) a man named Jesus Christ who is crucified under Pontius Pilate in Judea and who has followers named Christians with (B) a man named Christ who is executed under Pontius Pilate in Judea and who has followers named Christians.

As everybody knows, the vast majority of the faithless (atheists, agnostics, Buddhists, adulterers, people who watch MTV) just scratch their collective head at this bizarre connection I have made between (A) a man named Jesus Christ who is crucified under Pontius Pilate in Judea and who has followers named Christians and (B) a man named Christ who is executed under Pontius Pilate in Judea and who has followers named Christians.

I apologize to this board on behalf of the faithful all over the world for whimsically suggesting that (A) a man named Jesus Christ who is crucified under Pontius Pilate in Judea and who has followers named Christians is to be identified with (B) a man named Christ who is executed under Pontius Pilate in Judea and who has followers named Christians.

And thank you, aa5874, for your diligence in stamping out unwarranted assumptions and assertions such as the one I just tried to foist on the unsuspecting atheists and agnostics who frequent this board.

Ben.

Gamera

Point is, that's the issue to be determined, and not by assuming the conclusion, as you did by strangely complaining that the English word "Christ" doesn't appear in a work not written in English at a time when English didn't exist.

Using this reasoning, Christ never appears in the NT, for that matter, and so the NT can't be about "Christ."

aa5874

But your response is just a continuation of your faith-based mantra. All you did was to have faith that the Jesus of the NT existed and then claim that an ambiguous single mention of "Christus" in Annals is a reference to the Jesus of the NT.

But, may I remind you that, according to the NT, the person crucified during the time of Tiberius was named JESUS not CHRISTUS as written in Annals.

Matthew 1.21 So, at birth he was to be named Jesus, according to the NT.

Luke 24.18 And still after his crucifixion, he was known by the name JESUS of Nazareth, according to the NT.

Now, it is interesting to note that the disciples of JESUS were not called CHRISTIANS while Jesus was alive or when he was crucified, the disciples were called Christians long after his death, according to the NT.

Acts 11.26 So, based on the NT, it was JESUS OF NAZARETH that was crucified, and this JESUS had no disciples called CHRISTIANS during his lifetime.

Ted Hoffman

I am interested in knowing: are there English translations of Annals that use Christ and not Chrestus?
If Yes (and I am interested in knowing which ones), aa5874 has a point. If no, aa5874 still has a point imo because all the translations I have read all use Chrestus, not Christ.