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Old 08-01-2007, 06:53 AM   #541
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This has been explained numerous times. It is my theory that scientists obtain consilience (sort of) in dating because there is an agreed upon consensus out there that everyone shoehorns their dating results into.
That is not an explanation. It is only a rewording of your allegation.
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This has been explained numerous times. It is my theory that scientists obtain consilience (sort of) in dating because there is an agreed upon consensus out there that everyone shoehorns their dating results into.
That is not an explanation. It is only a rewording of your allegation.

That is all dave has to offer, apparently.
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:22 AM   #543
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Oh and dave, lemme "twist your words" again a bit, as you always say I do:

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... It is between you and your Creator. YOU will answer to Him. Not me.
orly? You won't answer to your creator? How come? Are you without sin? Or do you have some kind of special deal with him?


(No offence, dave: It's just that I always react with sarcasm when people try to intimidate me. It helps you keep your cool.)
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It is between you and your Creator. YOU will answer to Him. Not me.
Well, when I thought that my creator was the same as your creator, I did answer to him. We were good buddies he and I. But then he went kinda quiet on me when I asked him how come the flood sorted all the fossils neatly instead of jumbling them all up. Then I asked him why Human and Chimp DNA is so similar, including the non-funtional stuff, and he ran away with his tail between his legs never to be heard from again.

Maybe I was delusional and this guy didn't really exist at all. It is possible that I was enforcing my own delusion through church, bible-study, reading YEC propaganda, witnessing etc. All these things would be sufficient examples of enforcement for the inculcation and preservation of a delusional mindstate.

I look forward to meeting him if he really does exist, so I can ask him again.
In particular I'd like to ask him:
"Given that Human and Chimp DNA is so closely related...
and given the universal fine tuning which allows us to calculate precisely the decay of a radioactive isotope...
and given that a huge variety of methods derived from these universal laws give consilient dates for the age of the earth into billions of years..
then what problem does he have with my believing that the earth is billions of years old and that humans and chimps are related?"

Do you think i'll get an answer Dave? I have to ask him since you cannot answer it (at least in the past year you haven't managed to).

Perhaps now would be a good time:
Dave,
Does a person have to believe in a literal reading of Genesis in order to be saved?
A simple yes or no will do.

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Same thing that made Galileo and Copernicus think that hundreds of bright, well-educated, well-trained people in their day were wrong about geocentrism -- EVIDENCE.
Another thing:

Those chaps to whom you refer were breaking new ground.

Your conceit is that you are trying to equivocate a retreat to the ground that existed prior to Galileo as an advancement to new ground.

Galileo: No one has been here before. Isn't that exciting?

afdave: I don't like it here. I want to go back to the way it was.
No. Galileo was trying to revert Western society back to the truth about astronomy. There is evidence that earlier societies knew the truth as the study of the Great Pyramid indicates. But Western society had lost it for whatever reason.
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.......No. Galileo was trying to revert Western society back to the truth about astronomy. There is evidence that earlier societies knew the truth as the study of the Great Pyramid indicates. But Western society had lost it for whatever reason.
Study of Khufu's Pyramid (and other pyramids) clearly shows that the Dynastic Egyptians knew a great deal about observation-based practical astronomy - that is they could use observation to orientate pyramids and to align interior passages with particular stars. That Khufu's Pyramid 'encodes' secret information about the astronomical unit, the length of the earth's polar axis, the exact length of the year (to several decimal places of accuracy), etc, is something for which there is no evidence.
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Let us not side-track Dave from the important point.

Dave, you have committed libel: you have claimed that every competent scientist in the world is committing fraud or is criminally stupid.

Provide evidence or retract this libel.
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Galileo was trying to revert Western society back to the truth about astronomy. There is evidence that earlier societies knew the truth as the study of the Great Pyramid indicates. But Western society had lost it for whatever reason.
Where is there evidence in the Great Pyramid that the Egyptians knew Venus circles the sun, and not the earth, or that it undergoes phases like the moon? Or that the moon has mountain ranges? Or that the earth circles the sun? Or that all the planets visible to the naked eye circle the sun? Or that jupiter has moons? Where is there any evidence for any of Galileo's discoveries in the Great Pyramid?

As usual, Dave, you're making shit up.
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And in the meantime, Dave: how are you doing with locating that mile-thick layer of sediment your biblical flood deposited around the world? Have you found it yet?
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And while you are at it, could you explain how the biblical flood formed all the large underground salt deposits underneath your mile-thick sediments?
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