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maryhelena · 03-23-2011, 02:16 PM

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In this scheme do you see any implication that either Adam or christ must be one or the other?

Come of it spin - all Paul is doing is contrasting the physical with the spiritual - the two aspects or elements of our human dualistic nature. Don't try making Paul out to be a fool, as though he was attempting to defy the Law of human nature: Matter does not change into non-matter, be transformed into some type of spiritual entity.

Paul was a dualist, contrasting the physical with the spiritual; contrasting matter with spirit, contrasting matter with mind. Of course, matter changes - it’s physical evolution that got us this far after all. Of course, our spirit, our intellect changes - intellectual evolution takes care of that. What cannot change is the Law of our human nature - a Law that prohibits matter from being transformed into non-matter, transformed into some spiritual entity.

spin, pause, take a deep breath...this crazy stuff is not worthy of your considerable intellect.

I think the brand of halitosis you're wearing is Attar of Gym Shoe.

Careful now - the :fsm: is out to get you...

aa5874 · 03-24-2011, 05:27 PM

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.....Gaah, I'm lost and tired. This is really a challenge to get one's head around, I guess without a fluent access to the original language.

Can't we just say that the text is internally contradictory, and sometimes supports Earl's interpretation, and sometimes yours?

I find it completely fascinating that people here REFUSE to use other writings of Antiquity to RESOLVE ambiguities.

We have writings of the Church and a WHOLE book on the "FLESH of Christ".

What does Tertullian say in "On the Flesh of Christ".

What kind of Flesh did Jesus have according to Church writers?

"On the Flesh of Christ" 19

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... As flesh, however, He is not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of man, because it was by the will of God that the Word was made flesh.

The NT Canon, including the Pauline writings are compatible with the teachings of the Church.

One cannot do history in a VACUUM.

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