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Toto · 07-09-2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Roger Pearse

It's unbelievably depressing to me to see a group of people get together explicitly to fabricate a lie. No-one believes what they're trying to say; not even themselves. " ...

Where did this come from?

There is no evidence that the people involved are not sincere in their beliefs and interpretation of the evidence.

Ted Hoffman · 07-10-2009, 02:55 AM

I have done much research and theorizing on this. Maybe its about time I got to work though I sorta lost interest in BCH in the last one year. Hmmmmm....
My interest really is not the money but what I can do with the results of such work. Let me consider it....

Roger Pearse · 07-10-2009, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Toto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger Pearse

It's unbelievably depressing to me to see a group of people get together explicitly to fabricate a lie. No-one believes what they're trying to say; not even themselves. " ...

Where did this come from?

There is no evidence that the people involved are not sincere in their beliefs and interpretation of the evidence.

I think we might use our common sense.

Every conman starts by trying to convince himself of his own line of ****. His punishment is to succeed.

Ted Hoffman · 07-10-2009, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

A joint effort?

Agree structure, people write sections?

I think a joint effort is perfectly aceptable. There should be no problem at all.

Toto · 07-10-2009, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Roger Pearse

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toto

Where did this come from?

There is no evidence that the people involved are not sincere in their beliefs and interpretation of the evidence.

I think we might use our common sense.

Every conman starts by trying to convince himself of his own line of ****. His punishment is to succeed.

My common sense tells me that a conman would be more likely to promote a profit making scheme, such as the Prosperity Gospel.

Since at least one of the judges here is a registered user, please avoid personal insults, especially if you have no way of backing them up.

Clivedurdle · 07-10-2009, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ted Hoffman

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

A joint effort?

Agree structure, people write sections?

I think a joint effort is perfectly aceptable. There should be no problem at all.

The term "brainstorming" is allegedly not politically correct, but you know what I mean - following are quick thoughts of areas to cover.

Context - "oriental cults", Judaism and Persia, Rome and Persia, priesthood of all believers versus centralised priesthood. Cyrus, Darius, Marathon, Homer, Alexander

Effect of "pagan" science and thinking - Ankylethera mechanism, Library of Alexandria, co-evolution of science, philosophy, technology and religion. Archimedes and calculus, Plato, Logos.

Attempts to create a "whole" theory of life the universe and everything, Christ and the cross as a mathematical idea, hybrids - Hercules, Chimera.

Psychological - why are we as gods understanding our death?

Jerusalem as the centre of the universe.

Jewish fantasy factory, gnosticism (Laughing Jesus - FnG)

Astronomy and astrology in Persia.

Fish symbols and rude bits - that prison in Megiddo.

"Historical kernels"

Arthur

Other input's Caesar's Messiah, Boris Johnson, Nazarenus. Are we looking at a play?

Revelation as a Jewish text with Jesi added.

There is probably a huge amount of stuff to use here - I have no objections to things I have posted being used.

Clivedurdle · 07-10-2009, 10:55 AM

And completely forget the starting position.

Quote:

Believing, with Max Weber, that man is an animal suspended in webs of significance he himself has spun,

http://academic.csuohio.edu/as227/spring2003/geertz.htm

lpetrich · 07-11-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Roger Pearse

It's unbelievably depressing to me to see a group of people get together explicitly to fabricate a lie. No-one believes what they're trying to say; not even themselves. "Hey, let's offer a prize and see if someone can come up with some kind of plausible excuse, because it's so damn convenient."

Roger Pearse, what makes you so sure that Jesus mythicists are liars? Every one I've ever read seems convinced of their beliefs.

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Originally Posted by Roger Pearse

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Originally Posted by Toto

Where did this come from?

There is no evidence that the people involved are not sincere in their beliefs and interpretation of the evidence.

I think we might use our common sense.

Every conman starts by trying to convince himself of his own line of ****. His punishment is to succeed.

You still have not demonstrated that Jesus mythicism is a falsehood that its advocates know to be false.

Clivedurdle · 07-11-2009, 10:30 AM

The 100% man 100% god one third godhead but all equally god is obviously mythological.

The discussion is about all the other variants of jesi, is there a real one lurking somewhere or not?

Solo · 07-11-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Self-Mutation

I thought skeptics could explain the rise of Christianity in 4 simple words:

"Paul made it up."

Why then does this group of skeptics want 30-100 pages in length? I thought Christianity was easily false? :huh:

But then again, it's hard to explain the purpose of a tour of the world to a premature ejaculator. :huh:

Jiri

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07-10-2009, 02:55 AM	#12
Ted Hoffman Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: "" Posts: 3,863	I have done much research and theorizing on this. Maybe its about time I got to work though I sorta lost interest in BCH in the last one year. Hmmmmm.... My interest really is not the money but what I can do with the results of such work. Let me consider it....

07-11-2009, 10:30 AM	#19
Clivedurdle Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 16,024	The 100% man 100% god one third godhead but all equally god is obviously mythological. The discussion is about all the other variants of jesi, is there a real one lurking somewhere or not?

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