FRDB Archives

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.


Go Back   FRDB Archives > Archives > Religion (Closed) > Biblical Criticism & History
Welcome, Peter Kirby.
You last visited: Yesterday at 03:12 PM

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 06-30-2007, 06:10 PM   #11
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: California
Posts: 2,215
Default

[afdavie_mode]
Of course the Bible mentions salt. Haven't you ever read "You are the salt of the earth." (Matthew 5:13)? And those drill holes could have struck Sodom and Gomorrah, where Lot's wife was turned to salt. See, here we have one more piece of evidence that the Bible is an accurate historical record!!! Why do you keep ignoring the con silliness consilience of such overwhelming evidence???
[/afdavie_mode]
Occam's Aftershave is offline  
Old 07-01-2007, 01:25 AM   #12
Regular Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 242
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mung bean View Post
I nicked this pic of Dave's out of the Grand Canyon thread over at E/C.
Thanks for raising it, Eric.


...
That's interesting. I see the "continental drift" phase is confined to one day - hence the idea of continents racing around at over a hundred mph. In a recent post (can't find it now, too many threads racing along at over a hundred mph), Dave seemed to say that he had never believed in continents moving at that sort of speed.

It seems that some clarification from Dave is needed.

Edit: Found the post I was thinking of.

Quote:
Originally Posted by afdave
honestly didn't know Walt Brown says 45 mph.
I suppose the charitable version is that Dave didn't understand the implications of what he was posting. Well, everyone makes mistakes and I'm confident that Dave will hold his hand up to this one and reevaluate his "theory" now. Off the top of my head, I would expect that this means that the continents must have moved to their new positions during the flood year which has a major impact on the question of how and when people and animals got to their present locations.
HoverCraftWheel is offline  
Old 07-01-2007, 01:28 AM   #13
mung bean
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

That'd be the Grand Canyon thread over in E/C.

As for clarification.......
 
Old 07-01-2007, 06:46 AM   #14
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 3,884
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mung bean View Post
I nicked this pic of Dave's out of the Grand Canyon thread over at E/C.
Thanks for raising it, Eric.
So, we got's the canyons forming in the "recovery phase", huh?
This is when the Flud waters were draining away, yes. Into the Mediterranean basin. Which at the time was a dirty great salt desert. Hmmmm.
Dis is not making the sense.
But the Euphrates and other rivers known to the ancient Hebrews is mentioned in Genesis 2. How did the Euphrates survive all this change?

10And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

CC
Cheerful Charlie is offline  
Old 07-01-2007, 07:35 AM   #15
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 3,027
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HoverCraftWheel View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by mung bean View Post
I nicked this pic of Dave's out of the Grand Canyon thread over at E/C.
Thanks for raising it, Eric.


...
That's interesting. I see the "continental drift" phase is confined to one day - hence the idea of continents racing around at over a hundred mph. In a recent post (can't find it now, too many threads racing along at over a hundred mph), Dave seemed to say that he had never believed in continents moving at that sort of speed.

It seems that some clarification from Dave is needed.

Edit: Found the post I was thinking of.

Quote:
Originally Posted by afdave
honestly didn't know Walt Brown says 45 mph.
I suppose the charitable version is that Dave didn't understand the implications of what he was posting. Well, everyone makes mistakes and I'm confident that Dave will hold his hand up to this one and reevaluate his "theory" now. Off the top of my head, I would expect that this means that the continents must have moved to their new positions during the flood year which has a major impact on the question of how and when people and animals got to their present locations.
The problem with this theory is that we have been telling Dave how ludicrous it is for the continents to have been "drag racing" around the planet at hundreds of miles an hour for easily a year now, and Dave has never objected to our description before yesterday. That he would suddenly find our description to be "ludicrous," after having been exposed to it for a year, is a bit puzzling. I doubt Dave will come up with an explanation for why the sudden about-face on the issue, but I would be fascinated to hear what it would be.
ericmurphy is offline  
Old 07-01-2007, 02:53 PM   #16
mung bean
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheerful Charlie View Post
But the Euphrates and other rivers known to the ancient Hebrews is mentioned in Genesis 2. How did the Euphrates survive all this change?

CC
Dave's explanation for that is that either coincidentally the Tigris and Euphrates just happen to have restarted themselves roughly in their old location.
Either that or different rivers were given the same names out of nostalgia. Not sure on his current platform.
 
Old 07-02-2007, 04:12 PM   #17
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 1,642
Default

The courses of rivers are, ahem, of course, highly dependent on the specifics of topography.

So dave first has the world buried in a mile (or whatever today's figure is) of sediment--completely obscuring, one would think, any "original" underlying topography--and then he has the continents breaking up and racing around, huge canyons being carved by the waters retreating to--well, wherever--asteroids being spewed out into space by the hyperventilation of the fountains of the earth, and the orogenies of almost all of the current ranges--which, uh, would mean that they would all have to grow an additional mile in height, or would have to shed that sedimentary load, or would have to overthrust, underthrust, or just slap that mile-thick sediment off to one side somehow.

And, yet, despite all of this laughable and absurd parody of actual geophysical processes, the topography right above the pre-Flood Tigris and Euphrates winds up being pretty-near precisely just what it was before the Flood ever happened?

C'mon, folks...
Steviepinhead is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:00 AM.

Top

This custom BB emulates vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.