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PhilosopherJay · 01-21-2007, 07:10 AM

Hi Ben,

In post #4105025 http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?p=4105025#post4105025

I put forward some of my reasons for believing that the original TF was about Simon Magus the Samaritan.

The chapter heading you mentioned is quite interesting:

Τα συμβαντα Ιουδαιοις εν Ρωμη κατα τουτον τον καιρον υπο των Σαμαρεων.
What happened to the Jews in Rome at this time under the Samaritans.

It makes no sense under the supposition that the man whom Josephus talked about in Rome was a Jew (as the present text tells us). However, under the supposition that the man was a Samaritan, and the text has been changed, the chapter heading makes perfect sense.

I take this as further proof of my hypothesis.

Warmly,

Philosopher Jay

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Originally Posted by Ben C Smith

Sure, no problem. You might wait a day or so to see if anyone has improvements on the translation. I am particularly interested in the translation of these two items:

Τινες αιρεσεις και οποσαι παρα Ιουδαιοις φιλοσοφων και τινες οι νομοι.
Certain sects, even as many of the philosophers among the Jews, and certain laws.

Τα συμβαντα Ιουδαιοις εν Ρωμη κατα τουτον τον καιρον υπο των Σαμαρεων.
What happened to the Jews in Rome at this time under the Samaritans.

The first uses οποσος, always a difficult word for me to translate smoothly, and the second does not seem to reflect the events in book 18 very well (I do not recall the Samaritans having anything to do with what happened in Rome, though there is a Samaritan incident in Palestine at this time). Either the chapter compiler conflated things or I have missed the force of that last prepositional phrase.

Ben.

mountainman · 01-21-2007, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhilosopherJay

In post #4105025 http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?p=4105025#post4105025

I put forward some of my reasons for believing that the original TF was about Simon Magus the Samaritan.

This is a most interesting conjecture on the TF Philosopher Jay.
Do you happen to know of others who have in the past considered
this analysis, using Simon Magus? Or is it original?

PhilosopherJay · 01-21-2007, 08:41 PM

Hi Mountainman,

As far as I can recall, it is original.

Warmly,

Philosopher Jay

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountainman

This is a most interesting conjecture on the TF Philosopher Jay.
Do you happen to know of others who have in the past considered
this analysis, using Simon Magus? Or is it original?

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