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Old 05-19-2012, 10:40 PM   #71
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I have gone through the Epistle to the Romans VERSE by VERSE and there is no statement to show or claim that it was written Before c 70 CE.

Romans 11 appears to show that the author was AWARE of the Fall of the Temple. See Romans 11.21-22

There is NO basis to PRESUME the epistle to the Romans was written before c 70 CE when there is NO corroborative evidence for the Pauline writer.
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Old 05-20-2012, 10:43 AM   #72
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I think it's fair to say that the reason nothing EXPLICIT comes across in the NT texts about the destruction of the Temple is that it happened A LONG TIME prior to the composition of those texts, plain and simple.

IF they had been written in the early and middle of the second century it would have been on the front burner for an event that occurred a bare 50-75 years earlier.
However, if it had happened some 250-300 years earlier, it would definitely not be on the front burner any more.
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The Pauline writer claimed he was a Hebrew of Hebrews and "touching the Law" a Pharisee yet he did NOT at any time in his letters write about the Feast of the Passover or that he went to the Jewish Temple during the Passover.

In the Gospels, it is claimed that the character called Jesus the Son of God, born of the Ghost, went to the Jewish Temple in order to give the false impression that Jesus lived before the destruction of the Jewish Temple.

Not even a FALSE impression is given by the Pauline writers that they went to the Jewish Temple at the Passover--a most significant Feast for Jews.

We have SILENCE--NO PASSOVER at the Jewish Temple for the Hebrew of Hebrews and Pharisee called Paul.

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5Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee ;6Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law , blameless.
There is NOT a single mention that Paul was in the Jewish Temple at Passover in Jerusalem.


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Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1 Cor.3 is only true if the Jewish Temple of God in Jerusalem was NO longer in existence.
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We don't find any overwhelming concern about the destruction of the Temple one way or the other in the epistles, or even in the epistles under other names. This itself would lend credence to the idea that they were not just written within a century of the destruction of Jerusalem.

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I think it's fair to say that the reason nothing EXPLICIT comes across in the NT texts about the destruction of the Temple is that it happened A LONG TIME prior to the composition of those texts, plain and simple.

IF they had been written in the early and middle of the second century it would have been on the front burner for an event that occurred a bare 50-75 years earlier.
However, if it had happened some 250-300 years earlier, it would definitely not be on the front burner any more.
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Looking at the other epistles of James, Jude, Peter and John, one can see how little is directly relevant to Christianity per se ... In each epistle Jesus is mentioned only a couple of times after the introductory salutation.

They too look like regular monotheistic sermonizing that got linked with the emerging orthodox sect.
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the redactors simply wanted to connect them to the agenda of the fleshly Jesus.
They seem like various stories cobbled together around a central character.
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Old 05-22-2012, 02:25 PM   #76
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MrMacSon, how do you view examples of epistles that were cobbled together from different sources with some pre-gospel emerging orthodox ones?

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Looking at the other epistles of James, Jude, Peter and John, one can see how little is directly relevant to Christianity per se ... In each epistle Jesus is mentioned only a couple of times after the introductory salutation.

They too look like regular monotheistic sermonizing that got linked with the emerging orthodox sect.
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the redactors simply wanted to connect them to the agenda of the fleshly Jesus.
They seem like various stories cobbled together around a central character.
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