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Old 07-30-2010, 08:53 AM   #81
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I would take a very different position on this. From link in OP

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Further, the Synoptic Jesus casts out demons, but the Fourth Gospel has no exorcisms.
Instead of debating alleged historicity of synoptics versus theology of John I would definitely study demonology and attitudes to witchcraft.
Discussing the differences in the Jesus characters in Synoptics and gJohn is not necessarily debating the historicity of Jesus but to show how the character EVOLVED over time.

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..This is a critical fault line, and in fact puts John in the modern world apart from the superstitio of the synoptics.

John is also where we find the idea of the logos.

Are we looking at completely separate world views?
But, upon examining gJohn, the author is just as superstitious as the authors of the Synoptics but only that put he forward a more "politically correct" Jesus.

The author of gJohn seems to have attempted to correct all the perceived ERRORS in the Synoptic Jesus.

For example, in the burial of Jesus, the author of John appears to have corrected the error where the body of Jesus was prepared with Spices AFTER he was buried as found in the Synoptics.

The body of gJohn's Jesus was prepared for burial with SPICES before BURIAL.

In the Synoptics, Jesus was trying to back out of the crucifixion and was SWEATING blood but in gJohn Jesus basically asked God to crucify him NOW or to "glorify him".

In the Synoptics, Jesus felt abandoned on the Cross but gJohn's Jesus declared that he had finished his task he had accomplished his goals. gJohn's Jesus had GLORIFIED his father.

In the Synoptics, Jesus was the offspring of the Holy Ghost but gJohn ELEVATED Jesus to be EQUAL with God and the Creator of heaven and earth.

In the Synoptics, Jesus hardly spoke about the "LOVE of God", it would appear that the Synoptic Jesus was filled with hatred for the Jews but the author of gJohn claimed God was a God of love and for the first time, not found in the Synoptics, CLEARLY stated, "For God so love the world that he gave his only begotten son..."

But, in the Synoptics, there was NO LOVE, the crucifixion of Jesus signified the destruction of Jerusalem and the Jewish Temple and the END of the known heaven and earth.
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But, in the Synoptics, there was NO LOVE, the crucifixion of Jesus signified the destruction of Jerusalem and the Jewish Temple and the END of the known heaven and earth
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But it was understood as the beginning of God's love for the Gentiles.
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That's like telling the Jews " the holocaust happened, but god loves you! "
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But, in the Synoptics, there was NO LOVE, the crucifixion of Jesus signified the destruction of Jerusalem and the Jewish Temple and the END of the known heaven and earth
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But it was understood as the beginning of God's love for the Gentiles.
If you analyze the Synoptics you will notice that the world as it was known should have COME to an END shortly after the Fall of the Temple.

The Synoptic Jesus came to FULFILL prophecy.

The Synoptic Jesus came to show that the JEWS would KILL him and that God would destroy Jerusalem and God's OWN Temple.

The Synoptic Jesus told the SANHEDRIN that they would SEE HIM coming in the clouds.

Mr 14:62 -
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And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
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And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
The Synoptic Jesus came to PREACH about the end of the world when the SUN, Moon, stars, heaven and earth would NO MORE in the VERY NEAR FUTURE or IMMEDIATELY after the Fall of the Temple. See Mark 13, Matthew 24-25, or Luke 22.

After the Temple fell, the tribes of the world MUST either REPENT or PERISH.

The "love god" story in gJohn was a rather late development after the Synoptic Jesus failed to show up.

The author of gJohn did NOT even bother to say one single thing about the FAILED PROPHECY in the Synoptics. He completely IGNORED virtually EVERYTHING in gMark 13, gMatthew 24 & 25 and gLuke 22.

It would appear to me that the author of John simply tried to correct the FLAWS in the Synoptic Jesus story and changed the character of Jesus from being full of hatred to the Jews but a Jesus who loved the whole world.
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