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stephan huller · 04-19-2013, 02:19 PM

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the reference to the end of sacrifices

It was Boid's argument given in a lecture and it was never published. Boid's opinion on the dating of Marqe has never been published. But it is well known within Samaritan circles.

Jeffrey Gibson · 04-19-2013, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

I think it should be obvious what I was saying in the post:

1. the opinion I cite is from I R M Boid
2. the follow up post was to demonstrate his credibility with Samaritans
3. he referred me to Knox's opinion
4. Knox's opinion has come up in discussions and texts related to the Samaritans

The fact that Boid thought it was possible and plausible was good enough for me. There are simply too many things to read and not enough time. Considering Boid is respected by people I respect (Schiffmann praised him recently to me in a conversation I had just before the Golb verdict remembering that he dedicate one of his books to his ex-wife and laughed). That means its a reasonable position.

Whether it's a reasonable position or not is not the issue. The issue is the truth of your claim that the position is widely held amongst all scholars who do work on Hebrews.

Come on' Stephen, you are back peddaling. And instead of saving face, you are embarrassing yourself further. Man up and admit you were wrong -- or at least that you phrased your claim poorly and that you are not as familiar with Hebrew's scholarship as you implied you were.

Jeffrey

Jeffrey Gibson · 04-19-2013, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

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the reference to the end of sacrifices

It was Boid's argument given in a lecture and it was never published. Boid's opinion on the dating of Marqe has never been published. But it is well known within Samaritan circles.

So where are the references to the end/cessation of sacrifices in the temple/tabernacle in Hebrews?

And I take it by your non answer that you haven't read Knox.

Jeffrey

stephan huller · 04-19-2013, 02:23 PM

So Boid is a UFO nut? Experts on Samaritanism can't recognize Samaritan arguments in Christian literature as well as scholars of early Christianity and New Testament studies can find their area of expertise in Samaritan literature? Is that the argument, Jeffrey?

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That's like saying that because alien abductions is something frequently spoken of by UFO nuts

Boid is well rounded. Why not ask around about his authority? I don't understand how every discussion develops into the argument clinic with you.

Jeffrey Gibson · 04-19-2013, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

So Boid is a UFO nut? Experts on Samaritanism can't recognize Samaritan arguments in Christian literature as scholars of early Christianity and New Testament studies can find their area of expertise in Samaritan literature?

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That's like saying that because alien abductions is something frequently spoken of by UFO nuts

Boid is well rounded. Why not ask around about his authority? I don't understand how every discussion develops into the argument clinic with you.

So .. you haven't actually read Knox.

Jeffrey

stephan huller · 04-19-2013, 02:25 PM

I don't know how times in how many different ways I have to say this. Boid is my source for identifying the text as possibly reflecting Samaritan ideas. Knox is a secondary reference. The question of whether or not Hebrews reflects Samaritan ideas cannot be definitively settled by authorities on Hebrew or authorities on Samaritanism individually. It is not a settled question.

stephan huller · 04-19-2013, 02:27 PM

Where in this fucking post does it say that I read Knox or cites Knox's opinion from authority:

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My teacher I R M Boid for starters (one of the only scholars respected by the Samaritans themselves). The Samaritan connection has been discussed by many people both inside and outside of the study of Samaritanism. Knox is most often associated with the idea - Knox, E. A., "The Samaritans and the Epistle to the Hebrews." The Churchman n.s. 41 (1927) 184-193. Most other studies cite him but the idea is basically accepted in some form by most Samaritanologists. See also Trotter, Robert J. F. Did the Samaritans of the Fourth Century Know the Epistle to the Hebrews? LUOSMS 1. Leeds: Leeds University Oriental Society, 1961

Jeffrey Gibson · 04-19-2013, 02:46 PM

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Where in this fucking post does it say that I read Knox or cites Knox's opinion from authority:

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My teacher I R M Boid for starters (one of the only scholars respected by the Samaritans themselves). The Samaritan connection has been discussed by many people both inside and outside of the study of Samaritanism. Knox is most often associated with the idea - Knox, E. A., "The Samaritans and the Epistle to the Hebrews." The Churchman n.s. 41 (1927) 184-193. Most other studies cite him but the idea is basically accepted in some form by most Samaritanologists. See also Trotter, Robert J. F. Did the Samaritans of the Fourth Century Know the Epistle to the Hebrews? LUOSMS 1. Leeds: Leeds University Oriental Society, 1961

So where are the references to the end/cessation of sacrifices in the temple/tabernacle in Hebrews?

Jeffrey

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stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	I don't know how times in how many different ways I have to say this. Boid is my source for identifying the text as possibly reflecting Samaritan ideas. Knox is a secondary reference. The question of whether or not Hebrews reflects Samaritan ideas cannot be definitively settled by authorities on Hebrew or authorities on Samaritanism individually. It is not a settled question.

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