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Old 03-11-2010, 02:54 PM   #11
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As objective analysts we would them be able to tabulate a balance sheet of items of evidence which have been produced in support of the "christian traditions" which would clearly demonstrate, on the one side manifest forgeries and on the other side, cited evidence which is still be recognised as integrous evidence for the "Christian traditions".
On the "other side" nothing at all... The christian traditions are built on legends, at least in France.
The earliest legends were compiled by Eusebius, who is also recognised as some form of an "historian". Considering there is no evidence to support Eusebius, to what extent do you think Eusebius may have simply fabricated these earliest "legends"?
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* around 14 versions of the Holy Prepuce (at Antwerp, Coulombs, Chartres, Charroux, Metz, Conques, Langres, Anvers, Fécamp, Puy-en-Velay, Auvergne, Hildesheim, Santiago de Compostela and Calcata)
He had 14 di###. He was god, son of god, his own father, his own own etc. So he could have 14 di### too.
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* three Holy Umbilical Cords,
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"twice born". Any surprise he was one up on them?


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* four Spears of Longinus,
Easy. The spear was planted later on and it sprouted two more.


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* three Crowns of Thorns,
He had a head too swollen than was good for him. A mega size crown, later forged[sic. pun not intended] into three normal sized ones.

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* three arms of St Francis Xavier,
Was he not strutting about in India, burning Hindus, razing their temples. He might have miroculously sprouted additional arma. He had so much work to do.

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* the shirt of John the Baptist (and a mere three of his heads),
Recall, Jesus told his minions to buy swords even they have to sell their shirts. Anyway he "started" the hydra head cult, so could be three headed too.
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* phials of milk from the Virgin Mary,
* quantities of Christ's blood,
* His milk teeth
Here someone is defaming the xianity, I think. Nothing is known about his childhood. Had Mary even nursed him with her milk? [Yashoda did do that to Krishna]. Had he even milk teeth? Not mentioned in bible. Had he bllod even. When his side was pierced something gushed out, but blood is not mentioned.

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* some 204 bits of babies massacred by Herod
So. The region was sparsely populated. There were onlt 204 babies to be found. Did someone expect remains of a million babies?
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Maybe the first jewish temple is also religious forgery?

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Excavated Wall May Prove Parts of the Bible Stories of Hebrew Kings David and Solomon

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religious forgery

This page considers forgery and fraud relating to religious texts and artifacts.

Here is a section about relics ....

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The Shroud is merely the most prominent of Western relics, which prior to the French Revolution included [indent]

* around 14 versions of the Holy Prepuce (at Antwerp, Coulombs, Chartres, Charroux, Metz, Conques, Langres, Anvers, Fécamp, Puy-en-Velay, Auvergne, Hildesheim, Santiago de Compostela and Calcata)
Just FYI: "Antwerp" is the English name for the Belgian city "Antwerpen", while "Anvers" is the French name for the same city.
So, there appear to be only around 13 "Holy Prepuces". Still quite impressive, though.


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I wonder if there are "canonical" and "noncanonical" "Holy Prepuces" and how they might be distinguished.
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Hi Arnoldo,

I think wishful thinking is more like it, rather than forgery.

The archaeologist Eilat Mazar has not provided any evidence that the wall is from the 10th century. As the article notes:

"Aren Maeir, an archaeology professor at Bar Ilan University near Tel Aviv, said he has yet to see evidence that the fortifications are as old as Mazar claims."

Mazar's proof that this is a wall from the 10th Century seems to be that the Bible describes fortification walls from the 10th Century. Thus the evidence is proved by the Bible and Bible is proved by the evidence. This is a wall and David in the Bible had a wall, therefore this must be David's Wall. How do we know that David really had a wall, because an archaeologist has found the wall. Why bother with such a little thing like evidence that this is a wall from the 10th rather than the 9th, 8th or 7th centuries? We have such a wonderful discovery, why would we care to have evidence?

Here's another great Biblical Find this week, the nail of the cross used in the crucifixion of Christ:

Here's the article two days later debunking it.

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Scholar: Bible History May Be Correct
Excavated Wall May Prove Parts of the Bible Stories of Hebrew Kings David and Solomon

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...n6231848.shtml
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Hi Arnoldo,

I think wishful thinking is more like it, rather than forgery.

The archaeologist Eilat Mazar has not provided any evidence that the wall is from the 10th century. As the article notes:

"Aren Maeir, an archaeology professor at Bar Ilan University near Tel Aviv, said he has yet to see evidence that the fortifications are as old as Mazar claims."

Mazar's proof that this is a wall from the 10th Century seems to be that the Bible describes fortification walls from the 10th Century. Thus the evidence is proved by the Bible and Bible is proved by the evidence. This is a wall and David in the Bible had a wall, therefore this must be David's Wall. How do we know that David really had a wall, because an archaeologist has found the wall. Why bother with such a little thing like evidence that this is a wall from the 10th rather than the 9th, 8th or 7th centuries? We have such a wonderful discovery, why would we care to have evidence?

Here's another great Biblical Find this week, the nail of the cross used in the crucifixion of Christ:

Here's the article two days later debunking it.

Warmly,

Philosopher Jay


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Maybe the first jewish temple is also religious forgery?
When conducting any research confirmation bias must be taken into consideration. Of course more archaeological evidence is needed to determine beyond a reasonable doubt the existence of the first temple built by Solomon shortly after the time of King David. As far as the nail is concerned the following is an image of an alleged authentic first century crucifiction nail.

Source:The Israel Museum, Jerusalem
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The following inscription is obviously a forgery;

Greek inscription on a stone slab Jerusalem, Israel 1st century CE

. . . based on Acts 21:28
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The following inscription is obviously a forgery;

Greek inscription on a stone slab Jerusalem, Israel 1st century CE

. . . based on Acts 21:28


What is the English translation of the Greek text of the inscription?
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As far as the nail is concerned the following is an image of an alleged authentic first century crucifiction nail.

Source:The Israel Museum, Jerusalem
The Roman historian – Florus Quintilius Varus in his Epitome of Roman History – II, 88 tells us that early in the 2nd century CE 2,000 Jews of the town Emmaus were taken and crucified by Trajan. Strangely enough, one of the nuances in the story told by the unknown authors of the New Testament is that Jesus selected the town of Emmaus to make his first reappearance after his ascension through the clouds to "heaven" and the bridge of the Christian Enterprise, in a geostationary orbit above the planet. Jesus was beamed down to Emmaus, the precise location where Trajan either was to crucify 2000 Jews, or had already crucified 2000 Jews (depending on which century the authors of the NT wrote their "storyline").
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