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Old 03-15-2010, 11:05 PM   #11
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It happened after the birth of Noah and before the tower of Babel incident.

The actual date is not important and is really a distraction from the lesson sbeing taught in those chapters.

Why is it so important for you to know the exact date?
A precise date makes it easier to evaluate the truth of the claim. When Bishop Ussher drew up his time line of all creation, it wasn't for any moral lesson. It was because he valued knowledge for its own sake. That is generally the inscrutable attitude of scholars. Modern geologists, archaeologists, historians, cosmologists and evolutionary biologists give their dates for the same reason.
Yet itis impossible to provide an eact date for the flood, all pre-flood pottery was destroyed and all post-flood was not made on a large scale for many, many years rendering that system useless and with all the samples corrupted it would bedifficult to date any flood artifact (if you could find one) using any other dating system

Ussher was an idiot and did no one any favors. He did not evenknow how the Biblical writers wrote the geneologies which renders his calculations worthless.

modern geologists, etc., have no clue and are only guessing and why would you include evolutionary biologists? Their views do not include a flood so their commets and studies belong in the trash.

God does not provide a date, you will not find one for the flood.

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What is the lesson of the mythical flood?
As if you didn't already know: Sin will be punished and those who follow Him will be saved. The former comment would have to be applied to all governments who execute criminals if you apply it to God. God gets to judge and punish as He sees fit and that does not make Him a mass murderer.
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A precise date makes it easier to evaluate the truth of the claim. When Bishop Ussher drew up his time line of all creation, it wasn't for any moral lesson. It was because he valued knowledge for its own sake. That is generally the inscrutable attitude of scholars. Modern geologists, archaeologists, historians, cosmologists and evolutionary biologists give their dates for the same reason.
Yet itis impossible to provide an eact date for the flood, all pre-flood pottery was destroyed and all post-flood was not made on a large scale for many, many years rendering that system useless and with all the samples corrupted it would bedifficult to date any flood artifact (if you could find one) using any other dating system

Ussher was an idiot and did no one any favors. He did not evenknow how the Biblical writers wrote the geneologies which renders his calculations worthless.

modern geologists, etc., have no clue and are only guessing and why would you include evolutionary biologists? Their views do not include a flood so their commets and studies belong in the trash.

God does not provide a date, you will not find one for the flood.



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What is the lesson of the mythical flood?
As if you didn't already know: Sin will be punished and those who follow Him will be saved. The former comment would have to be applied to all governments who execute criminals if you apply it to God. God gets to judge and punish as He sees fit and that does not make Him a mass murderer.

How exactly was the so called pre-flood pottery destroyed?

Why would it be difficult to date any flood artifact? Surely the mass of human made pottery mixed with dinosaur bones and of course the undeciphered writing and symbols carved on pterodactyl fossils should at least roughly date the flood just as we presently date using carvings on mammoth tusks and bones.

Any human artifact in situ with T Rex fossils (even a human it had for lunch) could be used to date the find to at least pre or post flood.
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Why would it be difficult to date any flood artifact? Surely the mass of human made pottery mixed with dinosaur bones and of course the undeciphered writing and symbols carved on pterodactyl fossils should at least roughly date the flood just as we presently date using carvings on mammoth tusks and bones
We have those, Charles Hapgood recorded documents that recorded the discoveries yet people do not believe. Remember that dinosaurs were pre and post flood so writings on their bones and pottery found with them do not create dates.

links to credible references concerning the carvings on mammoths etc. and dating .

As for your initial question, please demonstrate which artifacts are from the flood , pre and post. i doubt you would know and if you did present some I bet you would have many detractors who would disagree with you.
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Why would it be difficult to date any flood artifact? Surely the mass of human made pottery mixed with dinosaur bones and of course the undeciphered writing and symbols carved on pterodactyl fossils should at least roughly date the flood just as we presently date using carvings on mammoth tusks and bones
We have those, Charles Hapgood recorded documents that recorded the discoveries yet people do not believe. Remember that dinosaurs were pre and post flood so writings on their bones and pottery found with them do not create dates.

links to credible references concerning the carvings on mammoths etc. and dating .

As for your initial question, please demonstrate which artifacts are from the flood , pre and post. i doubt you would know and if you did present some I bet you would have many detractors who would disagree with you.
My initial question was not answered by you. How exactly were the so-called pre flood pottery destroyed?
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Why would it be difficult to date any flood artifact? Surely the mass of human made pottery mixed with dinosaur bones and of course the undeciphered writing and symbols carved on pterodactyl fossils should at least roughly date the flood just as we presently date using carvings on mammoth tusks and bones
We have those, Charles Hapgood recorded documents that recorded the discoveries yet people do not believe. Remember that dinosaurs were pre and post flood so writings on their bones and pottery found with them do not create dates.

links to credible references concerning the carvings on mammoths etc. and dating .

As for your initial question, please demonstrate which artifacts are from the flood , pre and post. i doubt you would know and if you did present some I bet you would have many detractors who would disagree with you.
Please cite these Hapgood documents. If you are referring to allegedly ancient maps that show Antarctica without an ice shelf, then could you also explain why these ancient mariners managed to miss Australia entirely?
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Why would it be difficult to date any flood artifact? Surely the mass of human made pottery mixed with dinosaur bones and of course the undeciphered writing and symbols carved on pterodactyl fossils should at least roughly date the flood just as we presently date using carvings on mammoth tusks and bones
We have those, Charles Hapgood recorded documents that recorded the discoveries yet people do not believe. Remember that dinosaurs were pre and post flood so writings on their bones and pottery found with them do not create dates.

links to credible references concerning the carvings on mammoths etc. and dating .

As for your initial question, please demonstrate which artifacts are from the flood , pre and post. i doubt you would know and if you did present some I bet you would have many detractors who would disagree with you.
Any writings on any dinosaur bones would do. We can then look at trying to date them. No such artifacts exist.
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modern geologists, etc., have no clue and are only guessing and why would you include evolutionary biologists? Their views do not include a flood so their commets and studies belong in the trash.
Guesses do not produce multiple consistent, consilient measurements of anything. Nothing in the record that repeats annually - lake varves, ice cores, tree rings etc - matches up with anything that would indicate a flood in the last 10,000 years, and everything that repeats annually confirms other methods of dating such as radiocarbon. You cannot explain consilience with "guesses."
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It happened after the birth of Noah and before the tower of Babel incident.

The actual date is not important and is really a distraction from the lesson sbeing taught in those chapters.

Why is it so important for you to know the exact date?
Its not important to know the exact date of something that didnt happen.

Its just fun to watch the contortions that the theocreologists will go thru to try to come up with a date, same as watching them try to prove there really was a flood.

My personal fav. is the theory that all the reason there is no evidence for the flood is that god cleaned up the mess; with proof who needs faith; and the water went to neptune where it now serves as a warning beacon for wayward angels.

what is yours?
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A precise date makes it easier to evaluate the truth of the claim. When Bishop Ussher drew up his time line of all creation, it wasn't for any moral lesson. It was because he valued knowledge for its own sake. That is generally the inscrutable attitude of scholars. Modern geologists, archaeologists, historians, cosmologists and evolutionary biologists give their dates for the same reason.
Yet itis impossible to provide an eact date for the flood, all pre-flood pottery was destroyed and all post-flood was not made on a large scale for many, many years rendering that system useless and with all the samples corrupted it would bedifficult to date any flood artifact (if you could find one) using any other dating system

Ussher was an idiot and did no one any favors. He did not evenknow how the Biblical writers wrote the geneologies which renders his calculations worthless.

modern geologists, etc., have no clue and are only guessing and why would you include evolutionary biologists? Their views do not include a flood so their commets and studies belong in the trash.

God does not provide a date, you will not find one for the flood.



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What is the lesson of the mythical flood?
As if you didn't already know: Sin will be punished and those who follow Him will be saved. The former comment would have to be applied to all governments who execute criminals if you apply it to God. God gets to judge and punish as He sees fit and that does not make Him a mass murderer.

modern geologists, etc., have no clue and are only guessing

Modern geologists find the whole bit about the flood to be stupid and tiresome.

They are, btw, actually quite good at what they do do (which doesnt include trying to date a mythical event) and dont rely on guess work.
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It happened after the birth of Noah and before the tower of Babel incident.
In order to reasonably claim that God caused a global flood to occur, you would also have to claim that he temporarily altered some of the laws of physics in order to make it appear to most experts, including some Christian experts, that a global flood did not occur. Now why would a God do that?
If some of the laws of physics were not altered, there is not way that a global flood could have occured. We can discuss this issue at the Evolution/Creation forum if you wish.

If you have any evidence that the Bible is inerrant, please post it.
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