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Old 12-16-2010, 09:25 PM   #11
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So it's just an odd coincidence that the inscription is a about Nero purging a new superstition and that both Tacitus and Suetonius speaks of the doctrine of the Chrestiani/Christiani as a superstition, and that Suetonius specifically states that this superstition was new?
If this was, as charged, a forgery by the 15th century humanist and antiquarian Cyracus of Ancona, it would not be a coincidence. It would show that Cyracus used those sources.
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So it's just an odd coincidence that the inscription is a about Nero purging a new superstition and that both Tacitus and Suetonius speaks of the doctrine of the Chrestiani/Christiani as a superstition, and that Suetonius specifically states that this superstition was new?
There were thousands of superstitions in Nero's day. No one could even count them all and shrines to gods filled the streets. New superstitions were a dime a dozen.
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If this was, as charged, a forgery by the 15th century humanist and antiquarian Cyracus of Ancona, it would not be a coincidence. It would show that Cyracus used those sources.
Indeed it would, but Ramelli could not rule out authenticity, and said that this was not a forgery made for apologetic reasons.
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There were thousands of superstitions in Nero's day. No one could even count them all and shrines to gods filled the streets. New superstitions were a dime a dozen.
Which other new superstitions did Nero act against, according to historical record?
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What do you all think? Is it genuine?
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If so, does it prove the persecution of Christians?
No. It doesn't come close to proving anything of the sort.
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"Mosheim and others, doubt the genuineness of this inscription, as not sufficiently established on the authority of Cyriacus Anconitanus, the first publisher; especially as the stone itself is not now to be found, and is not noticed by Spanish writers of eminence." (W. Hales, A New Analysis of Chronology and Geography, History and Prophecy, vol. 3, p. 551 [publ. 1830])

If this is true, the inscription would of course not be very trustworthy.
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All these people are very long ago. What we need is a modern scholarly opinion.
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All these people are very long ago. What we need is a modern scholarly opinion.
We have I. Ramelli, Note su una dubbia testimonianza epigrafica della persecuzione neroniana in Spagna - Hispania Antiqua (Valladolid), XXIV (2000).
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Christianity still is a superstition: to believe that someone died for your sins so that you do not have to is an act of cowardice to appease the self created sin concept with the hope that things will go better after you die and that makes no sense at all. To me that is equal to life-time slavery to a self created image
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There were thousands of superstitions in Nero's day. No one could even count them all and shrines to gods filled the streets. New superstitions were a dime a dozen.
Which other new superstitions did Nero act against, according to historical record?
Christians, according to Tacitus. If we accept this at face value rather than concluding it's legendary, then we've established Nero's predilection to persecuting new religions. In no way does that imply that every time he persecutes a group, they are thus Christians.
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