outhouse

the trinity factually evolved into the dogma.

Constantine did not force that dogma, as much as he only forced that the church would be united regarding the divinity of jesus and god, be that of the same substance.


it wasnt imposed at all, many believed in all three. just because the movement was wide and varied and the majority won over the trinity inder a national religion, doesnt mean it was forced.

most christians believed in the father, son and holy ghost.



anti-theism has no place in biblical criticism

andrewcriddle

FWIW Joachim was not suggesting that God is a quaternity.

His argument is that:
a/ Of course God is not a quaternity.
b/ But Peter Lombard's teaching about God allegedly implies that God is a quaternity.
c/ Therefore Peter Lombard is very badly wrong.

The Lateran council held that Joachim was being far too harsh about Peter Lombard. (Whose Sentences was the standard text for teaching theology to students at university.)

Andrew Criddle

Iskander

These measures explain the beliefs of so many of our contemporaries.

The Canons of the Fourth Lateran Council, 1215

CANON 3
"We excommunicate and anathematize every heresy that raises against the holy, orthodox and Catholic faith which we have above explained
Those condemned, being handed over to the secular rulers of their bailiffs, let them be abandoned, to be punished with due justice

Secular authorities ought publicly to take an oath that they will strive in good faith and to the best of their ability to exterminate in the territories subject to their jurisdiction all heretics pointed out by the Church

. But if a temporal ruler, after having been requested and admonished by the Church, should neglect to cleanse his territory of this heretical foulness, let him be excommunicated by the metropolitan and the other bishops of the province.

If he refuses to make satisfaction within a year, let the matter be made known to the supreme pontiff, that he may declare the ruler's vassals absolved from their allegiance and may offer the territory to be ruled lay Catholics, who on the extermination of the heretics may possess it without hindrance and preserve it in the purity of faith

Catholics who have girded themselves with the cross for the extermination of the heretics shall enjoy the indulgences and privileges granted to those who go in defence of the Holy Land."

Clivedurdle

The Catholic Church did formally create a quaternity when they upgraded Mary to Mother of God!

http://stottilien.wordpress.com/2012...-not-complete/

Iskander

Someone believes in the quaternity in 1215.The theological arguments are of no importance
The church behaves as if they are the owner of Jesus and make a mockery of his redemption when they refuse the sacraments and decent burial.

Canon 3
“We decree that those who give credence to the teachings of the heretics, as well as those who receive, defend, and patronize them, are excommunicated; Clerics shall not give the sacraments of the Church to such pestilential people, nor shall they presume to give them Christian burial, or to receive their alms or offerings; otherwise they shall be deprived of their office, to which they may not be restored without a special indult of the Apostolic See.


We add, moreover, that every archbishop or bishop should himself or through his archdeacon or some other suitable persons, twice or at least once a year make the rounds of his diocese in which report has it that heretics dwell, and there compel three or more men of good character or, if it should be deemed advisable, the entire neighbourhood, to swear that if anyone know of the presence there of heretics or others holding secret assemblies, or differing from the common way of the faithful in faith and morals, they will make them known to the bishop.”

Iskander

Christianity is not based on biblical Judaism and it is not based on the culture of the Jews,


Is this hateful invention the product of biblical Judaism?
Jews are forgiven if they drink human blood


“ON THE CREED: A SERMON TO THE CATECHUMENS.
[DE SYMBOLO AD CATECHUMENOS.]

10….. In this is "the end of the Lord." The Jews hold Him, the Jews insult, the Jews bind Him, crown Him with thorns, dishonor Him with spitting, scourge Him, overwhelm Him with revilings, hang Him upon the tree, pierce Him with a spear, last of all bury Him. He was as it were left: but by whom? By those insulting ones.


15. "Forgiveness of sins." Ye have [this article of] the Creed perfectly in you when ye receive Baptism. Let none say, "I have done this or that sin: perchance that is not forgiven me."

What hast thou done? How great a sin hast thou done? Name any heinous thing thou hast committed, heavy, horrible, which thou shudderest even to think of: have done what thou wilt: hast thou killed Christ? There is not than that deed any worse, because also than Christ there is nothing better.

What a dreadful thing is it to kill Christ! Yet the Jews killed Him, and many afterwards believed on Him and drank His blood: they are forgiven the sin which they committed. “

sotto voce

An old Jewish habit, resurrected:

'Do you not see what they are doing in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes of bread for the Queen of Heaven.' Jeremiah 7:17-18 NIV

The Jews were here probably worshipping Ishtar, whose Roman counterpart was Juno. So, as well as maintaining its grip on the plebeians by retaining the title of Pontifex Maximus, who had appointed and regulated priests since Julius Caesar held the title, Rome kept its chief goddess, while making three pagan gods out of the single Christian deity.

It may appear to readers that it is amazing that anyone takes the RCC seriously, being not only infamous, and impossible to relate to the simple, harmless Galilean, but also teaching the plain opposite of his teaching, and that of his followers. But there is an explanation. The challenge of justification by faith is so strong that it shakes some to the core, and causes the most improbable, even ludicrous distortions. It is witness that, if Christianity is not true, it is hard to find a human being who thinks so.

Iskander

Yes, Christianity today uses the name of Jesus. Catholics use the name of Mary, Also the names of saints as intermediaries and whatever.

Christianity in the past also used the name of Jesus.

They have constructed a cathedral on the death of a name

MrMacSon

They have also constructed a 'cathedral' on the names of death and alleged life after death

outhouse

what a bunch of misinformation