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Originally Posted by Petergdi
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Originally Posted by Juststeve
Peter:
I agree that Jesus was mistaken is the simplest explanation for this and several other saying recorded in the Bible where Jesus made an erroneous prediction. This of course requires a real Jesus to make the mistake. A wholly fictional Jesus that some here imagine would not have been written making obvious errors in his predictions.
The best explanation for all the facts is that some guy named Jesus made some prediction that were too well known to ignore and they turned out to be false. Christian apologists are still trying to explain them away. They want to believe he was more than just a man.
Steve
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Some apologists maybe. But there is a long standing position, widely regarded as orthodox, that Jesus had limited knowledge. I think it is possible that you are sometimes confounding what atheists often pretend that orthodox Christians believe for the purpose of making fun of them with the actual range of orthodox positions.
Common problems of this sort are:
- pretending that orthodox trinitarianism is a licence to divide the substance and confound the persons to give the most absurd results
- pretending that "sola fides" means that protestants think that they are saved by mental assent to a series of propositions. (The Roman Church has stopped pretending this, but that doesn't stop others).
- pretending that Calvin and most Calvinists weren't or aren't compatibilists. (I am not a Calvinist, but I see very little excuse for misrepresentation of what others believe.)
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We're not pretending, we're seeing. There are thousands of different sects of Christianity, are you pretending that we're pretending that anything we say about Christianity applies to all variations?
I get mostly Baptists and Pentecostals around here, do you think that they would agree with you that Jesus was wrong sometimes?
10-09-2010, 08:34 AM
