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outhouse · 04-08-2012, 11:11 AM

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one needs to look no further then the OT for legends that mirror parts of JC

moses, the flood, noah yes all myths.

but jesus, myth built around a man, which we all know was common in that tme place in that exact culture.

We know for a dead fact that noah and moses never existed outside literature.

The same cannot be said with credibility at all in jesus case.

Jesus in the gospels is merely an allegory to the travels of the sun through the zodiac. It can be said with crediblitly that no Jesus as depicted in the gospels ever existed.

The sun begins its birth on Dec 25 same as Jesus.

The sun Dec 25 is in Capricorn and the first zodiac sign it runs into is Aquarius the water bearer, the first person Jesus runs into in his ministry is John the Baptist (water)

The next step of the journey for the sun is Pisces two fish and behold Jesus runs into Andrew and Peter who are? Two fisherman

Next is Aries a ram and next in the Jesus allegory is referring to Jesus as the lamb of God.

It continues through the entire zodiac far too many "coincidences".

Jesus is simply an allegorical character for the journey of the sun.

What I have provided is very basic and there are many many more things that show that Jesus is simply an allegory.

The parallels of the Jesus story and the zodiac are remarkable.

LOL please stop, im laughing to hard

author of zitgeist is a uneducated bafoon, that cause more headaches for valid work. go talk to carrier about ole Zit

Voice of reason · 04-08-2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by outhouse

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Jesus in the gospels is merely an allegory to the travels of the sun through the zodiac. It can be said with crediblitly that no Jesus as depicted in the gospels ever existed.

The sun begins its birth on Dec 25 same as Jesus.

The sun Dec 25 is in Capricorn and the first zodiac sign it runs into is Aquarius the water bearer, the first person Jesus runs into in his ministry is John the Baptist (water)

The next step of the journey for the sun is Pisces two fish and behold Jesus runs into Andrew and Peter who are? Two fisherman

Next is Aries a ram and next in the Jesus allegory is referring to Jesus as the lamb of God.

It continues through the entire zodiac far too many "coincidences".

Jesus is simply an allegorical character for the journey of the sun.

What I have provided is very basic and there are many many more things that show that Jesus is simply an allegory.

The parallels of the Jesus story and the zodiac are remarkable.

LOL please stop, im laughing to hard

author of zitgeist is a uneducated bafoon, that cause more headaches for valid work. go talk to carrier about ole Zit

You can laugh this does not stop the truth.

I do not know anything about a zitgeist? The sun has 12 signs of the zodiac Jesus has 12 apostles.

Jesus's journey parallels the suns journey through the zodiac it is fact and easy to see for those not blinded by bias.

Sun is reborn on Dec 25Th 3 days after the winter solstice, Jesus celebrated birthday is Dec 25Th. So the birth of the sun on its journey is the same as Jesus'

That is the zodiac sign of Capricorn. The first stop for the sun is Aquarius the water bearer Jesus meets the water bearer John the Baptist.

The sun then goes through Pisces the two fish Jesus meets two fisherman and feeds the many with guess what? Fish

Next for the suns journey is Aries the ram. already covered briefly

Taurus is next there is sacrificial symbolism of Taurus and Jesus speaks of sacrifice.

Gemini, The sun goes into Gemini the twins Castor and Pollux The new testament mentions Castor and Pollux right in line with the parallel Coincidence again?

Cancer Summer is coming which means darkness lie on the other side for the sun after the summer solstice the sun begins its decline same as Jesus.

Leo is very interesting because John the baptist was dead and now he is resurrected funny how Aquarius the zodiac sign is now able to be seen in the horizon after it has been "dead" below the horizon. Coincidence? I think not.

Virgo a triumphant time it is the harvest time and Jesus has a triumphant entrance into Jerusalem. Mark 11:1-11; Matthew 21:1-11; Luke 19:28-44; John 12:12-16).

http://jesusastrotheology.com/tracin...sus_story3.htm

Starts in Aquarius and towards the bottom of each page it continues. It is very long and detailed.

One must know astrology and the zodiac which is explained.

There is no question Jesus is simply an allegorical story of the sun through the zodiac too many coincidences for it not to be.

GakuseiDon · 04-08-2012, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Voice of reason

I do not know anything about a zitgeist?

'Tis a pustulent movie, that can be found on Youtube.

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Originally Posted by Voice of reason

Cancer Summer is coming which means darkness lie on the other side for the sun after the summer solstice the sun begins its decline same as Jesus.

Whew! For a moment I thought you were going to say that Jesus had crabs.

VoR, it looks like the author of the article you linked to, Craig Lyons, has ripped off (or at least, been heavily influenced by) Acharya S, who covers much the same ground. You should check out her books, <delete>

This is from her "The Christ Conspiracy", letting the facts speak for themselves:

The sun "dies" for three days at the winter solstice, to be born again and resurrected on Dec. 25th
The sun of God is" born of a virgin" which refers to both the new or "virgin" moon and the constellation of Virgo.
The sun's "birth" is attended by the "bright Star" either Sirius/Sothis or the planet Venus, and by the "Three Kings," representing the three stars in the belt of Orion.
The sun at it's zenith, or 12 noon, is in the house or heavenly temple of the "Most High" thus, "he" begins "his Father's work" at age 12. At that point all Egypt offered prayers to the 'Most High' God!!
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30; hence the " Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age 30.
The sun is the "Carpenter" who builds his daily "houses" or 12 two hour divisions.
The sun's followers or "disciples" are the twelve signs of the zodiac, through which the sun must pass.
The sun is "annointed" when it's rays dip into the sea.
The sun "changes water into wine" by creating rain, repening the grape on the vine and fermenting the grape juice.
The sun "walks on water" referring to it's reflection.
The sun "calms the sea" as he rest in the "boat of heaven"
When the sun is annually and monthly re-born, he brings life to the "solar mummy" his previous self, raising it from the dead.
The sun triumphantly "rides an ass and her foal" into the "City of peace" when it enters the sign of Cancer, which contains two stars called "little asses" and reaches its fullness.
The sun is the "Lion" when in Leo, the hottest time of the year, called the "throne of the Lord"
The sun is "betrayed" by the constellation of the Scorpion, the backbiter, the time of the year when the solar hero loses his strenght.
The sun is "crucified" between the two thieves of Sagittarius and Capricorn.
The sun is hung on a cross, which represents its passing through the equinoxes, the venal equinox being Easter.
The sun darkens when it dies; The solar god as the sun of evening or of autumn was the suffering, dying sun, or the dead sun buried in the nether world.
The sun does a "stutter step" at the winter solstice, unsure whether to return to life or "resurrect" doubted by his "twin" Thomas.
The sun is with us "always" to the close of the age" Mt.28:20, also referring to the ages of the precession of the eqinoxes.
The sun is the "Light of the World" and comes on clouds, and every eye shall see him.
The sun rising in the morning is the "Savior of all mankind"
The sun wears a corona, "crown of thorns" or halo.
The sun was called the "Son of the Sky (God), All Seeing, the comforter,Healer,Savior,Creator,Preserver, "Ruler of the World" and "Giver of Daily Life".
The sun is the Word or Logos of God.
The all seeing sun, or "eye of God" was considered the jugde of the living and dead who returned to earth on a "white horse"

So don't let the nay-sayers get to you!

(ETA) I love her point:

The sun triumphantly "rides an ass and her foal" into the "City of peace" when it enters the sign of Cancer, which contains two stars called "little asses" and reaches its fullness.

"Enters the sign of Cancer containing two stars called "little asses" and reaches its fullness"? The mind boggles!

GakuseiDon · 04-08-2012, 06:28 PM

And here is another incredible parallel found by Acharya: Hercules carrying a cross! Personally I think it looks like he is carrying two stone pillars, cause that has to be one uncomfortable way of carrying a cross:

Voice of reason · 04-08-2012, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GakuseiDon

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Originally Posted by Voice of reason

I do not know anything about a zitgeist?

'Tis a pustulent movie, that can be found on Youtube.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voice of reason

Cancer Summer is coming which means darkness lie on the other side for the sun after the summer solstice the sun begins its decline same as Jesus.

Whew! For a moment I thought you were going to say that Jesus had crabs.

VoR, it looks like the author of the article you linked to, Craig Lyons, has ripped off (or at least, been heavily influenced by) Acharya S, who covers much the same ground. You should check out her books, <remove irrelevant material>

This is from her "The Christ Conspiracy", letting the facts speak for themselves:

The sun "dies" for three days at the winter solstice, to be born again and resurrected on Dec. 25th
The sun of God is" born of a virgin" which refers to both the new or "virgin" moon and the constellation of Virgo.
The sun's "birth" is attended by the "bright Star" either Sirius/Sothis or the planet Venus, and by the "Three Kings," representing the three stars in the belt of Orion.
The sun at it's zenith, or 12 noon, is in the house or heavenly temple of the "Most High" thus, "he" begins "his Father's work" at age 12. At that point all Egypt offered prayers to the 'Most High' God!!
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30; hence the " Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age 30.
The sun is the "Carpenter" who builds his daily "houses" or 12 two hour divisions.
The sun's followers or "disciples" are the twelve signs of the zodiac, through which the sun must pass.
The sun is "annointed" when it's rays dip into the sea.
The sun "changes water into wine" by creating rain, repening the grape on the vine and fermenting the grape juice.
The sun "walks on water" referring to it's reflection.
The sun "calms the sea" as he rest in the "boat of heaven"
When the sun is annually and monthly re-born, he brings life to the "solar mummy" his previous self, raising it from the dead.
The sun triumphantly "rides an ass and her foal" into the "City of peace" when it enters the sign of Cancer, which contains two stars called "little asses" and reaches its fullness.
The sun is the "Lion" when in Leo, the hottest time of the year, called the "throne of the Lord"
The sun is "betrayed" by the constellation of the Scorpion, the backbiter, the time of the year when the solar hero loses his strenght.
The sun is "crucified" between the two thieves of Sagittarius and Capricorn.
The sun is hung on a cross, which represents its passing through the equinoxes, the venal equinox being Easter.
The sun darkens when it dies; The solar god as the sun of evening or of autumn was the suffering, dying sun, or the dead sun buried in the nether world.
The sun does a "stutter step" at the winter solstice, unsure whether to return to life or "resurrect" doubted by his "twin" Thomas.
The sun is with us "always" to the close of the age" Mt.28:20, also referring to the ages of the precession of the eqinoxes.
The sun is the "Light of the World" and comes on clouds, and every eye shall see him.
The sun rising in the morning is the "Savior of all mankind"
The sun wears a corona, "crown of thorns" or halo.
The sun was called the "Son of the Sky (God), All Seeing, the comforter,Healer,Savior,Creator,Preserver, "Ruler of the World" and "Giver of Daily Life".
The sun is the Word or Logos of God.
The all seeing sun, or "eye of God" was considered the jugde of the living and dead who returned to earth on a "white horse"

So don't let the nay-sayers get to you!

(ETA) I love her point:

The sun triumphantly "rides an ass and her foal" into the "City of peace" when it enters the sign of Cancer, which contains two stars called "little asses" and reaches its fullness.

"Enters the sign of Cancer containing two stars called "little asses" and reaches its fullness"? The mind boggles!

I read the part about the two stars Asellus Borealis and Asellus Australis the northern ass and the southern ass in the links which are very long reading but, the parallels are too much. For me about 5 or 6 parallels is plenty and there are dozens of them.

In the link I provided he talks about how Rome literalized the gospels before that it was a sun myth
The word "Galilee" literally means circuit. Jesus goes into Galilee

Tertullian has a few quotes in the links about worshiping the sun.

I cannot find the Tertullian quotes but they are in one of the many pages of work in the link I provided.

So many parallels I am convinced that Jesus is merely the personification of the sun going through the zodiac it is crystal clear.

aa5874 · 04-08-2012, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GakuseiDon

And here is another incredible parallel found by Acharya: Hercules carrying a cross! Personally I think it looks like he is carrying two stone pillars, cause that has to be one uncomfortable way of carrying a cross:

Don't you believe Jesus was RAISED from the dead on the third day and that resurrection of Jesus is a ONE-TIME bizarre event???

You remind me of people of antiquity who argued about Mythological entities as if they were real.

outhouse · 04-08-2012, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GakuseiDon

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Originally Posted by Voice of reason

I do not know anything about a zitgeist?

'Tis a pustulent movie, that can be found on Youtube.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voice of reason

Cancer Summer is coming which means darkness lie on the other side for the sun after the summer solstice the sun begins its decline same as Jesus.

Whew! For a moment I thought you were going to say that Jesus had crabs.

VoR, it looks like the author of the article you linked to, Craig Lyons, has ripped off (or at least, been heavily influenced by) Acharya S, who covers much the same ground. You should check out her books, <remove irrelevant material>

This is from her "The Christ Conspiracy", letting the facts speak for themselves:

The sun "dies" for three days at the winter solstice, to be born again and resurrected on Dec. 25th
The sun of God is" born of a virgin" which refers to both the new or "virgin" moon and the constellation of Virgo.
The sun's "birth" is attended by the "bright Star" either Sirius/Sothis or the planet Venus, and by the "Three Kings," representing the three stars in the belt of Orion.
The sun at it's zenith, or 12 noon, is in the house or heavenly temple of the "Most High" thus, "he" begins "his Father's work" at age 12. At that point all Egypt offered prayers to the 'Most High' God!!
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30; hence the " Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age 30.
The sun is the "Carpenter" who builds his daily "houses" or 12 two hour divisions.
The sun's followers or "disciples" are the twelve signs of the zodiac, through which the sun must pass.
The sun is "annointed" when it's rays dip into the sea.
The sun "changes water into wine" by creating rain, repening the grape on the vine and fermenting the grape juice.
The sun "walks on water" referring to it's reflection.
The sun "calms the sea" as he rest in the "boat of heaven"
When the sun is annually and monthly re-born, he brings life to the "solar mummy" his previous self, raising it from the dead.
The sun triumphantly "rides an ass and her foal" into the "City of peace" when it enters the sign of Cancer, which contains two stars called "little asses" and reaches its fullness.
The sun is the "Lion" when in Leo, the hottest time of the year, called the "throne of the Lord"
The sun is "betrayed" by the constellation of the Scorpion, the backbiter, the time of the year when the solar hero loses his strenght.
The sun is "crucified" between the two thieves of Sagittarius and Capricorn.
The sun is hung on a cross, which represents its passing through the equinoxes, the venal equinox being Easter.
The sun darkens when it dies; The solar god as the sun of evening or of autumn was the suffering, dying sun, or the dead sun buried in the nether world.
The sun does a "stutter step" at the winter solstice, unsure whether to return to life or "resurrect" doubted by his "twin" Thomas.
The sun is with us "always" to the close of the age" Mt.28:20, also referring to the ages of the precession of the eqinoxes.
The sun is the "Light of the World" and comes on clouds, and every eye shall see him.
The sun rising in the morning is the "Savior of all mankind"
The sun wears a corona, "crown of thorns" or halo.
The sun was called the "Son of the Sky (God), All Seeing, the comforter,Healer,Savior,Creator,Preserver, "Ruler of the World" and "Giver of Daily Life".
The sun is the Word or Logos of God.
The all seeing sun, or "eye of God" was considered the jugde of the living and dead who returned to earth on a "white horse"

So don't let the nay-sayers get to you!

(ETA) I love her point:

The sun triumphantly "rides an ass and her foal" into the "City of peace" when it enters the sign of Cancer, which contains two stars called "little asses" and reaches its fullness.

"Enters the sign of Cancer containing two stars called "little asses" and reaches its fullness"? The mind boggles!

Yet not focusing on the fact the sun was worshipped heavily in previous civilizations, and these same people did in fact migrate to Israel bring in some influence to ancient hebrews forming religion.

But the buck stops there. While a slight background does exist, it was not worshipped heavily and has always as time went by lessened.

That is evident in all written knowledge we have of sun deities and their worship

There is almost nothing by the time we get to the NT as far as sun worshipping cults in judaism. the fact people lived by and around the sun doesnt have any connection to a poor poverty stricken illiterate Galilean teacher/healer

outhouse · 04-08-2012, 07:22 PM

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resurrected on Dec. 25th

attributed to jesus long after the gospels were written and has nothing to do with HJ

the rest are all easily busted as well.

outhouse · 04-08-2012, 07:25 PM

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The sun of God is" born of a virgin"

the REAL actual words in its native tongue is "maiden", not virgin

please [facepalm] next we will have paintings done in 1000 AD with a halo and then show some egyptian reliefs [facepalm] with simular patterns to try and play mythical version of connect the imaginatary proverbial dots

GakuseiDon · 04-08-2012, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Voice of reason

Tertullian has a few quotes in the links about worshiping the sun.

I cannot find the Tertullian quotes but they are in one of the many pages of work in the link I provided.

This is from Tertullian's "Ad nationes":
http://www.earlychristianwritings.co...tullian06.html

Others, with greater regard to good manners, it must be confessed, suppose that the sun is the god of the Christians, because it is a well-known fact that we pray towards the east, or because we make Sunday a day of festivity. What then? Do you do less than this? Do not many among you, with an affectation of sometimes worshipping the heavenly bodies likewise, move your lips in the direction of the sunrise? It is you, at all events, who have even admitted the sun into the calendar of the week; and you have selected its day, in preference to the preceding day as the most suitable in the week for either an entire abstinence from the bath, or for its postponement until the evening, or for taking rest and for banqueting. By resorting to these customs, you deliberately deviate from your own religious rites to those of strangers. For the Jewish feasts an the Sabbath and "the Purification," and Jewish also are the ceremonies of the lamps, and the fasts of unleavened bread, and the "littoral prayers," all which institutions and practices are of course foreign from your gods. Wherefore, that I may return from this digression, you who reproach us with the sun and Sunday should consider your proximity to us. We are not far off from your Saturn and your days of rest.

And from Tertullian's Apology:
http://www.earlychristianwritings.co...tullian01.html

Others, again, certainly with more information and greater verisimilitude, believe that the sun is our god. We shall be counted Persians perhaps, though we do not worship the orb of day painted on a piece of linen cloth, having himself everywhere in his own disk. The idea no doubt has originated from our being known to turn to the east in prayer. But you, many of you, also under pretence sometimes of worshipping the heavenly bodies, move your lips in the direction of the sunrise. In the same way, if we devote Sun-day to rejoicing, from a far different reason than Sun-worship, we have some resemblance to those of you who devote the day of Saturn to ease and luxury, though they too go far away from Jewish ways, of which indeed they are ignorant.

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