VoxRat

"as I have clearly shown"

must be one of afdave's famous "colophons"

ericmurphy

Actually, no, Dave. You are on record saying that Moses wrote the entire Pentateuch. That you believe Moses edited together pre-existing stories does not change this fact. Do you now disavow this claim, or not?

No, Dave, you may thank me for failing to present a persistent challenge to your illogical dreck, but I doubt anyone else will.

Now, one more time: are you going to present even any evidence that you understand what the DH even is? And after that, are you going to present any evidence that the DH is incorrect? So far, we're four pages into this thread, and you have not found a single thing to criticize about the DH itself.

deadman_932

The basis of Dave's claims:
A reasonable and parsimonious explanation:
Couple this with the geological and archaeological record that shows a LITERAL reading of Genesis to be laughably wrong, then the picture becomes much clearer.

I could have added that "legitimizing " markers are found all over the place -- from the use of Roman symbology to authenticate royal lines in Europe, to the presence of pyramids with a single eye above it on the American dollar bill.

ericmurphy

Until Dave actually addresses your posts, Dean, there's really nothing else you need to say anyway. And the way Dave's going, it could be another 20 pages before he actually gets around to trying to show the DH is even incorrect.

Craigart14

Neither of these is a fallacy ad populum. An appeal to the majority (the fallacy) means to the majority of people, such as we find in the oft-repeated statement that the majority of Americans believe in God or reject the theory of evolution. The vast majority of the people consists of lay people, not experts. Pointing out that the vast majority of qualified biologists accept the theory of evolution is not fallacious at all, nor is pointing out that the vast majority of Biblical scholars accept the DH. I'm as egalitarian as the next guy, but the opinion of a trained expert , which has been reviewed by other trained experts and found to be sound, is better than the opinion of the bus driver, the factory worker, or the politician. When my doctor recommends a risky operation, i will probably seek a second opinion--but from a doctor, not from my neighbor, who is a farmer.

The problem with Dave's position on this point is that he hasn't the foggiest idea what a scholar is. A degree in theology from a conservative Christian school like Wheaton doesn't make anyone a Biblical scholar.

Craig

Lucretius

Actually from my experience by then Dave will either have changed his view completley having come across another website that contradicts his present stance or will have decided to completely ignore the question and get bogged down in discussions of how clay tablets are made .

notta_skeptic

No, he didn't......

Looks like it's time to contact my lawyer, Dave. Or remove my user name from the appropriate section of your blog. Please. It may be considered a misuse of information from this forum, too.

ericmurphy

JFC, Dave, where is your evidence that Moses ever existed? The DH makes no claims about the actual identities of these authors. The fact that the Bible exists is pretty positive evidence that someone wrote it, isn't it? You're asking the hypothesis for something it doesn't even claim: the actual identities of the authors.

Now: you have claimed that the DH is wrong. We're already five pages into this thread, and you haven't even attempted to show where it is wrong, let alone marshall any evidence to support your claims as to how it's wrong.

Are you ever going to get around to even stating your position (beyond the DH being "wrong"), let alone supporting it?

Constant Mews

Let us take Dave's vacuous assertions one at a time.

Actually, this is false. McDowell does not mean that the DH is derived simply from the text. McDowell is claiming what no one is saying - that textual analysis trumps archeology.

You are misrepresenting McDowell, the DH, and modern archeology - which provides no evidential support for the key 'events' of the Torah, such as the Flood, Exodus, the creation of the world, Babel, etc.

Constant Mews

Dave spends a great deal of time violating the laws against libel. Fortunately, he's too small a fish for anyone to care about.