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TruthCounsellor · 02-26-2005, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by sgary

When I asked for your help...

Seems I must have missed that part. Did you?

TC

usaaok · 02-26-2005, 03:19 AM

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There is no afterlife, no soul and no god, we're all alone in the universe and that's just the way it is, so we might as well just get used to it.

Well apart from UFO's really. But if they dont exist, we are the most intelligent life forms in the universe. Thats pretty great. :thumbs:

jonesg · 02-26-2005, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mageth

Then it would be of absolutely no use to you or anyone else. You might as well say "Here is the Truth: gblazicalsatayim."

Isn't that what you read here on a daily basis ?

Like trying to legally define prono,
yet the supreme court knows it when they see it.

Like trying to describe the taste of an orange without reference to any other taste (imagine its the only thing you have ever tasted).

Its like, I KNOW Truth, I have experienced it.
I can't define it, its beyond.
It is obviously of great use to me because it proves something rather profound.

Now imagine you had a spontaineous experience of God, you go to a shrink, if in all other regards to your life things are fine....
do you think he would say you are mad .?

jonesg · 02-26-2005, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sgary

When I asked for your help, I thought you would say something like: everybody is in heaven, with a gulf dividing good/bad,and when the *age* changes, God brings it with Him, then judgment.
Or say something like what BlessNot said? but untill the flesh dies, we make up our own minds?
sgary.

Heaven and hell describe the extreme conditions in peoples potential lives. If you lived spiritually atuned to God's will then you would be in a state of heaven and not worry about when you die.

The alternative is a life not worth living and fearing death all the way.

Mageth · 02-28-2005, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jonesg

Isn't that what you read here on a daily basis ?

No.

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Like trying to legally define prono,
yet the supreme court knows it when they see it.

So pornography is like the god experience?

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Its like, I KNOW Truth, I have experienced it.
I can't define it, its beyond.
It is obviously of great use to me because it proves something rather profound.

What does it prove? What is this "Truth"? If you know it, you should be able to define or describe it, at least through the use of metaphor. If you can't define it, if you can't describe it, what the hell is it? How can you say you know it? What use is it?

All you're really sayingis that you've experienced something, some intense feeling, and you are assiging a "Truth" to it.

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Now imagine you had a spontaineous experience of God, you go to a shrink, if in all other regards to your life things are fine....
do you think he would say you are mad .?

Depending on how profound this experience was, it's possible that he might suspect you had some sort of temporal lobe disorder.

Read up on temporal lobe epilepsy.

Note: I'm not saying that you or anyone else has a brain disorder that is causing these experiences (though temporal lobe epilepsy does sometimes cause quite intense, profound "divine" experiences in those afflicted; certain drugs can do the same). But neuroscience has come to understand that the brain can and does cause experiences that we interpret as "divine".

sgary · 03-01-2005, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by usaaok

Well apart from UFO's really. But if they dont exist, we are the most intelligent life forms in the universe. Thats pretty great. :thumbs:

It would also be pretty great not having to worry about the flesh, and have the universe as a playground for the spiritual. What else would the universe be good for? keeping in mind that forever is a long time, and being in a spiritual body, is the only way to be able to see it all.

sgary

usaaok · 03-03-2005, 02:20 AM

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Note: I'm not saying that you or anyone else has a brain disorder that is causing these experiences (though temporal lobe epilepsy does sometimes cause quite intense, profound "divine" experiences in those afflicted; certain drugs can do the same). But neuroscience has come to understand that the brain can and does cause experiences that we interpret as "divine".

Agreed. :thumbs:

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