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Jinksy · 12-24-2005, 05:58 AM

Yes.

(if you want a more informative treatment, there's at least 200 years' worth of literature on the subject just waiting for you to get started on

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Reign_Cryogen · 12-24-2005, 12:32 PM

I didn't go to Afghanistan or Bosnia to die. I went there to kill. The possibility of my death wasn't anything new, as it is an inevitability.

N. Liberty · 12-24-2005, 02:27 PM

It seems more likely that I would participate in an activity where it was for the greater good and there was a possibility of me dying (as in going to war), than in an activity where my death was inevitable. As an athiest, it is hard to decide to end one's life as this is the only life we have. Granted, there are a great many cicumstances that I would be willing to give up my life; however, just because it is for the greater good doesnt mean that i would

thegdin · 12-24-2005, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 911

The other one had Bible quotes in it but here I want to know if "Greater Good" justify putting somebody through suffering even if that person had nothing to do with the objectives of the "Good." Is it morally correct to focus on the greater good even if some poor soul suffer as a consequence.

to save a thousand i would gladly kill one. yes,, for me, the greater good wins out. what can i say, im a utilitarian.

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Originally Posted by Reign_Cryogen

I didn't go to Afghanistan or Bosnia to die. I went there to kill. The possibility of my death wasn't anything new, as it is an inevitability.

great post and thanx for going.

arkirk · 12-24-2005, 11:52 PM

You think this is about religion and fanatics? Think again. It is about greed and oil and profits lining the pockets of the rich in this country. I am not thanking anybody for contributing to the gratuitious international violence of my own country...I am not thanking anybody for creating collateral damage or being the same. This is the way people who think they are above the world talk. I am down here on this planet and I do not find anything honorable about killing folks in Afghanistan or Bosnia.

Thomas II · 12-25-2005, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 911

Will you accept being a collateral damage if it was for a bigger good?

Like the poor chap who was sent by King David to the war front so that David could take his wife and as a result of that union we have King Soloman and according to the new testament; Jesus.

Or the sons and daughters and cattle and sheep of Job who was killed so that Job can be proven to be faithful and a Bible story of Job could be written.

And in the NT

It was not because his father sinned or he sinned but it was so that God may be glorified.

Thanks

Well, frankly, I raher be YOU the one killed, cause it is clear to me that it would be for the gratest good...I mean,without a doubt...

Vorkosigan · 12-25-2005, 02:40 AM

Is this BCH? I think not.

Amaleq13 · 12-25-2005, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Vorkosigan

Is this BCH? I think not.

Agreed. MF&P is thought to be a better home. Buh-bye

Sarpedon · 12-25-2005, 12:07 PM

King David, Solomon, and Jesus are all fictitious characters. You may just as well ask if someone were willing to be sacrificed to save Captain Kangaroo.

Considering the amount of harm Christianity has done to the world, I would have willlingly sacrificed myself to stop it from being

Dlx2 · 12-25-2005, 04:14 PM

Doesn't this presuppose a belief in the "Greater Good?"

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12-24-2005, 05:58 AM	#11
Jinksy Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Melbourne, Oz Posts: 1,635	Yes. (if you want a more informative treatment, there's at least 200 years' worth of literature on the subject just waiting for you to get started on )

12-24-2005, 12:32 PM	#12
Reign_Cryogen Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Albany, New York, USA Posts: 2,058	I didn't go to Afghanistan or Bosnia to die. I went there to kill. The possibility of my death wasn't anything new, as it is an inevitability.

12-24-2005, 02:27 PM	#13
N. Liberty Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: United States Posts: 12	It seems more likely that I would participate in an activity where it was for the greater good and there was a possibility of me dying (as in going to war), than in an activity where my death was inevitable. As an athiest, it is hard to decide to end one's life as this is the only life we have. Granted, there are a great many cicumstances that I would be willing to give up my life; however, just because it is for the greater good doesnt mean that i would

12-24-2005, 11:52 PM	#15
arkirk Veteran Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: North Hollywood, CA 91601 Posts: 7,698	You think this is about religion and fanatics? Think again. It is about greed and oil and profits lining the pockets of the rich in this country. I am not thanking anybody for contributing to the gratuitious international violence of my own country...I am not thanking anybody for creating collateral damage or being the same. This is the way people who think they are above the world talk. I am down here on this planet and I do not find anything honorable about killing folks in Afghanistan or Bosnia.

12-25-2005, 02:40 AM	#17
Vorkosigan Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Barrayar Posts: 11,866	Is this BCH? I think not.

12-25-2005, 12:07 PM	#19
Sarpedon Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Minnesota, the least controversial state in the le Posts: 8,446	King David, Solomon, and Jesus are all fictitious characters. You may just as well ask if someone were willing to be sacrificed to save Captain Kangaroo. Considering the amount of harm Christianity has done to the world, I would have willlingly sacrificed myself to stop it from being

12-25-2005, 04:14 PM	#20
Dlx2 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 2,546	Doesn't this presuppose a belief in the "Greater Good?"

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