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The 1st Law of Thermodynamics shows that m/e is conserved and indestructible; therefore, there was no beginning to m/e, and there will be no ending to m/e, and, therefore m/e has always existed, exists now, and will continue to always exist.
When ... Infinite = Having no spatial, temporal or/and physical limitations Finite = Having spatial, temporal or/and physical limitations ... then the temporal duration of m/e is infinite. When ... Universe = (1) Space; (2) Time; (3) Physics (M/E) ... then, because physics (m/e) is (A) a part of the universe--it exists within space, (B) indestructible, and (C) infinite in temporal duration, the universe is infinite in temporal duration, and therefore had no beginning and has no ending. |
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We're discussing the existence of the universe, and that existence is relevant to space, and to time, and to the duration of physics (m/e), and when we find that m/e is indestructible we can extrapolate (until we find disconfirming physical evidence) that all m/e is indestructible and therefore infinite in duration, existence, in time, we are using the term infinite as meaning having no spatial, temporal or physical limitations. These definitions are 100% operational/workable/functional: Infinite = Having no spatial, temporal or/and physical limitations Finite = Having spatial, temporal or/and physical limitations |
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Yeah, seconded. Please don't.
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Thirded. Although skimming Bob's ramblings above did give me chuckle
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No, honestly, please stop it. Can we stick to the topic please and reply only to at least half coherent posts on that topic?
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What do you do with a dimensionless point? You can make a statement about an infinite number of dimensionless points on a finite line, but then you have to prove that such a statement has value for the description of physical phenomena. As soon as a dimension of length is required for a physical point, then a finite line has only a finite number of physical points. Here are quotes inre mathematics inre physics: Quote:
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A physical point, in contrast to a mathematical point, has both spatial characterisics and a position measurable by a dimension of length. We use dimensions of length (x, y, z) to describe a physical point's location, and, although we typically do not need to specify a physical point's spatial characteristics, there is an implication such characteristics exist so we can avoid semantic confusions such as claims that there are an infinite number of physical points in a finite line. The implication that a physical point has spatial characteristics measurable by a dimension of length is therefore a reality that makes possible definitions of [i]infinite[/] and finite applicable to physical phenomena: Mantra: "A physical point has spatial characteristics measurable by a dimension of length!!!" Infinite = Having no spatial, temporal or/and physical limitations Finite = Having spatial, temporal or/and physical limitations |
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