Sheshbazzar

But if he were able to convince all of the "xian" and Jewish believers that they are required to obey The Law strictly and in its entirety, it would certainly lead to some dramatic social consequences.
Recall that it was just a couple of hundred years ago, that Christian groups in America (and also Europe) thought that they were carrying out "g-ds will" by the slaughtering of countless thousands, citing various injunctions from the Old Testament as their reason and justification for the atrocities that they were committing.
History does have a way of repeating itself, and reactionary religious fundamentalism is on the rise, "stuff" is happening on a global scale, peoples lives and "comfort zones" being disrupted by social and economic changes beyond their control, religion becomes a refuge and also a political tool (just as in the past) to redress their grievances and "set everyone in their place", with of course organized religion taking the upper hand and dictating what men must think, and say, and DO to retain their lives. A single spark falling among dry tinder, can set off a raging fire.
And if men are foolish enough to fan a spark into a fame, whom should they blame when their homes and children are burned in the conflagration they set in motion?

If you drop the word "Christian" for "Messianic" yes, absolutely, one of the fundamental tenets of my own organization has since the 1930s, been the advocating of a return to "Old Testament Law" (I, of course am a renegade ) just type "Assembly of Yahweh" into your search engine and you will certainly find plenty to entertain you.

Sheshbazzar

I am pleased to inform whomever is interested, that I did join and was permitted to post to that Forum that noah drew his material from, And was able to pose my question directly to the administrator.
I am also pleased to report that he replied to my questions in a non-argumentative and very cordial fashion, here is the closing of his reply to my questions, and I think it speaks well for itself as to what that administrator and individual thinks with regard to "xians" needing to obey the Law.

Sheshbazzar

As all has been related in the previous posts I will not recount all of the details again here, I made a mistake, missed a URL and as a result inferred that noah had "highly edited" one of his supplied quotations.
I was wrong.
Noah, I sincerely apologize for the false charge, and now also must thank you for directing me to that Forum, very interesting reading for a believer with my background.

punk77

Thanks for the link . It will take me a while to read through it all.

I didn't know that there was a difference between "Christian" and "Messianic":blush:.

punk77

But if Noah is right should he keep quiet?

These
had, by then,the New Testament to show them the errrors of their thinking but that didn't stop them from doing what they did:huh:.

Toto

That story in the Book of Acts is fictional. Paul does not mention any bright light on the road to Damascus in any of his letters, and Acts has 3 different contradictory versions of that event.

And you will not find any Biblical support for the idea that Christ changed Paul's name. Acts says that Saul's name was also Paul to begin with. (Chapter 13, IIRC).

If you can't even read your Bible well enough to know that Saul never had to change his name, why should we take anything you say seriously?

Sheshbazzar

From my perspective as a believer, noah was put on this earth by the same One that put me here, By the will and the working of Him that causes to be all that is, he has experienced a unique set of experiences that have prepared him perfectly for that position he is now filling, he will accomplish no more or no less than what he has from the beginning been destined to accomplish, as I also.
So from my perspective if noah is right, it is right that he speaks, if noah is wrong it is also needful that he freely speaks his mind, for then he speaks after the fashion of Cain, and Pharaoh, and Judas, all of whom in their season were given their say, and without who's inputs the story would not be complete.

But my statement about fanning sparks was not directed at noah, but at other men reading these things who might take delight in blowing on a spark to kindle a flame, encouraging and adding fuel to a fire, till they accomplish a firestorm consuming whole houses, families, and nations.

Again from my perspective as a Believer (not properly speaking, a "Christian") The descendent's of these Christians that did these things, are those who are destined to do in the future even far more horrendous things than their forefathers.
The word "Christian" as descriptive of a political entity with a political agenda, not necessarily founded in any sense of a genuine belief in the Bible, but in the banning together politically to impose their will upon on all men.
It is an insider joke, how many atheists are now manning the pulpits, and filling the pews, who actually despise the Book, but use it most skillfully to manipulate the sheep and establish their own political power base.
This type of "Christian" or outwardly appearing "convert" or "believer", whose conversion and belief is a fraud and a deception, is that which any perceptive person ought not close their eyes, nor turn their back to, a snake hiding in the grass preparing against the moment of its strike.

tdcanam

If my memory serves me right, Jesus called them asps and whited seplichurs.

noah

Apology accepted. The Jews for Judaism forum is an excellent resource for anyone with an interest in Judaism and refuting Christian missionaries. I highly recommend it to everyone.

noah

What material was that Sheshbazaar? That quote from Drashi was not my material. It was Drashi's response to your (irrelevant) question.
You would do well not to even skirt the edges of impugning my credibility Sheshbazaar. I "drew" no material from that forum in answering any of your arguments.
The problem for you here Shaeshbazaar is that Drashi and the other Jews in that forum do not have the authority the bible does. Drashi and co. accept the Paulinian version of xianity not because they agree with it but because they have a live and let live approach to other religions. Their attitude is that if xians want to believe in the tooth fairy, so be it. Jews do not dictate xian theology nor do they resolve xian doctrinal contradictions and inconsistencies. They certainy provide no succor for renegade xians who take th eword of Paul over their own saviour.

Your problem is that the bible tells you to obey your god's laws and you defy it and him. No Jew in the world can get you out of that one.