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Old 01-29-2006, 05:52 PM   #11
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So do I and these are the evangelicals. I usually call them Protestants in one swipe but I realize that they are good people who mean well. The problem is that meaning well is not good enough when the distant consequences of their actions are not known to them.
A person who kills by accident is just as dangerous as a person who kills on purpose. The end result is exactly the same. Evangelical Protestants are not the only problem. A lot of Roman Catholics oppose homosexuality, same sex marriage, and physician assisted suicide, especially the Pope and the bishops. Your defense of the Roman Catholic Church is preposterous. You are not a Christian. Various Roman Catholic Popes were little better than barbarians. Their armies, wealth, and power did not even remotely resemble what Jesus and the disciples taught and how they lived their simple lives. What about indulgences? What about slavery? Some Popes made up theology at the drop of a handerchief without any corroboration from Scripture whatsoever. The immaculate conception is a good example. Some Pope invented the doctrine of "ex cathedra," meaning that the Pope's religious teachings are infallible. How utterly absurd. Some pope said that his teachings were infallible because he said that they were infallible. The mass was in Latin for many centuries, but Jesus and the disciples preached in languages that people understood.
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A person who kills by accident is just as dangerous as a person who kills on purpose. The end result is exactly the same. Evangelical Protestants are not the only problem. A lot of Roman Catholics oppose homosexuality, same sex marriage, and physician assisted suicide, especially the Pope and the bishops. Your defense of the Roman Catholic Church is preposterous. You are not a Christian. Various Roman Catholic Popes were little better than barbarians. Their armies, wealth, and power did not even remotely resemble what Jesus and the disciples taught and how they lived their simple lives. What about indulgences? What about slavery? Some Popes made up theology at the drop of a handerchief without any corroboration from Scripture whatsoever. The immaculate conception is a good example. Some Pope invented the doctrine of "ex cathedra," meaning that the Pope's religious teachings are infallible. How utterly absurd. Some pope said that his teachings were infallible because he said that they were infallible. The mass was in Latin for many centuries, but Jesus and the disciples preached in languages that people understood.
Yes and I admire those who do.

Catholics are not Christians and that includes popes except when they speak ex cathedra which is the purpose of that proclamation. It just means that the mind of Christ is infallible = Christian.

Catholicism ends when the Gospels begin so we do not owe anything there.

Indulgences are good because they work. I've compared them with the mandate of the Chamber of Commerce except in the other direction.

Slavery is native to our human condition wherein we live beside ourself.

It is a tradition based religion with only sporadic references to the bible to makes the Lazarus parable a reality.

The Immaculate Conception is what makes the mind of Christ immaculate among Catholics.

Nice to have that freedom as Freeman = Christian.

The Latin Mass points us at the image of the icon without being distracted by the common meaning of words. It is just anti-literalism at work.
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Johnny, from the previous post it may be concluded that each and every Christian in the manner of Jesus has the mind of Christ and is free from the bondage of slavery and sin. Gal.5:1-5 tells us about this wherefore it is a contradiction to call yourself a Christian and actually go to church. Hence my notion that the Catholic Church ends where the gospels begin which for you became the beginning of serious religion in your life.

So yes, I can see why you are angry at any church.
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Johnny, from the previous post it may be concluded that each and every Christian in the manner of Jesus has the mind of Christ and is free from the bondage of slavery and sin. Gal.5:1-5 tells us about this wherefore it is a contradiction to call yourself a Christian and actually go to church. Hence my notion that the Catholic Church ends where the gospels begin which for you became the beginning of serious religion in your life.

So yes, I can see why you are angry at any church.
As I have said before, I do not oppose religion. I oppose the misuse of religion.
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