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Old 12-20-2012, 01:09 PM   #21
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I am quite proud of my umlauten. Especially rare among Jews
You font umlauten. You ket umlauten:
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Satisfied? But ziss iss ferry silly, rilly ferry silly. Donchoo knov ze choose dont nid umlauten? Effer hurt off wöödÿ ällën or dännÿ käÿë?
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Isn't Mark Twain Diaries of Adam and Eve the definitive text?
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The glittering web of textual criticism that leads us to the supposedly momentous events in the 1st century is derived from the Bilbo Jesus Baggins of Faith who left no footprint on the planet we call Earth.

It is far more likely that "The Life of Adam" represents more pulp fiction from the 4th century that was generated in Greek as a polemical reaction to the sudden and unexpected appearance of the Constantine Bible.

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The Life of Adam and Eve, also known, in its Greek version, as the Apocalypse of Moses, is a Jewish pseudepigraphical group of writings. It recounts the lives of Adam and Eve from after their expulsion from the Garden of Eden to their deaths. It provides more detail about the Fall of Man, including Eve's version of the story. Satan explains that he rebelled when God commanded him to bow down to Adam. After Adam dies, he and all his descendants are promised a resurrection.

The ancient versions of the Life of Adam and Eve are: the Greek Apocalypse of Moses, the Latin Life of Adam and Eve, the Slavonic Life of Adam and Eve, the Armenian Penitence of Adam, the Georgian Book of Adam,[1] and one or two fragmentary Coptic versions. These texts are usually named as Primary Adam Literature to distinguish them from subsequent related texts, such as the Cave of Treasures that includes what appears to be extracts.

They differ greatly in length and wording, but for the most part are derived from a single source that has not survived,[2]:251 and contain (except for some obvious insertions) no undeniably Christian teaching.[3] Each version contains some unique material, as well as variations and omissions.

While the versions were composed from the early 3rd to the 5th century,[2]:252 the literary units in the work are considered to be older and predominantly of Jewish origin.[3] There is wide agreement that the original was composed in a Semitic language[2]:251 in the 1st century AD/CE.[2]:252
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There is actually substantial textual evidence for omitting both occurrences of "third heaven" in the Greek text of the Life of Adam. In the critical Greek text prepared by DA Bertrand La Vie Grecque D'Adam et Eve "third heaven" is omitted in both chapter 37 and chapter 40, with textual notes arguing that in both cases it is a later (Christian) interpolation.

However, other scholars have strongly criticized Bertrand over this. (There is a widespread feeling that Bertrand tends where manuscripts disagree to choose the easiest reading. ) One issue is that although most the good Greek manuscripts omit one of the occurrences of "third heaven" none seem to omit both. I.E. some of the good manuscripts have "third heaven" in chapter 37 some have it in chapter 40 and some (not the very best manuscripts) have it in both. The reading in chapter 37 is unto hEWS the third heaven while the reading in chapter 40 is split between unto (imitating chapter 37) and in EN the third heaven.

It is probably best to follow the oldest and probably best manuscript and its close ally and read "third heaven" in chapter 37 and omit it in chapter 40. This gives us a text in which Adam (?? the soul of Adam ??) is washed in the Acherusian lake and taken to the Paradise in the third heaven. Subsequently the body of Adam is buried in the Paradise on this earth. The author was apparently not bothered about complete consistency but the burial of the body of Adam probably occurs on this earth and not in the third heaven.

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Although most scholars still regard the Life of Adam as a Jewish work, some leading scholars, e.g. M de Jonge, regard it as a late 2nd century Christian work arguing that the Acherusian lake occurs only in Christian accounts of the afterlife not in Jewish ones.
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The claim that Adam was buried in the celestial realm is completely flawed. The very "Life of Adam" clearly stated that CHRIST would come to EARTH to raise ADAM from the dead and that Christ would be BAPTIZED in the River Jordan.

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... 2 [When five thousand five hundred years have been fulfilled, then will come upon earth the most beloved king Christ, the son of God, to revive the body of Adam and with him to revive (3) the bodies of the dead.He Himself, the Son of God, when He comes will be baptized in the river of Jordan.......
The Life of Adam utterly destroys all claims that the Christ was Only Celestial.
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The claim that Adam was buried in the celestial realm is completely flawed. The very "Life of Adam" clearly stated that CHRIST would come to EARTH to raise ADAM from the dead and that Christ would be BAPTIZED in the River Jordan.

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... 2 [When five thousand five hundred years have been fulfilled, then will come upon earth the most beloved king Christ, the son of God, to revive the body of Adam and with him to revive (3) the bodies of the dead.He Himself, the Son of God, when He comes will be baptized in the river of Jordan.......
The Life of Adam utterly destroys all claims that the Christ was Only Celestial.
Except that Adam was the name given to the ego identitity of man that 'he saw' after his eyes were opened and had a 'shame complex' henceforth that did not exist an Gen.2:25.

Adam is the illusion that makes us earthly, now with a mask to wear that makes us human instead of man alone.

So redemption obviously is to crucify this persona that we 'wear to be seen' as the pretender that we are in it.

So let's not assign a body to Adam wherefore Christ is the universal body in Christendom wherein we never die, until the second death do us part while we still live.
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