sotto voce

Masturbation had as much to do with Onan as moral goodness and badness had to do with Barzillai.

lmbarre

How are you arriving at your understanding of the main characters in this story, especially Eve. Lucifer as a character did not emerge in Christian thought until Jerome mistranslated 'Star--son of the dawn" to be "Lucifer, the light-bearer." The character of Lucifer cannot be present in this much earlier story. It would be anachronistic.

Chili

Sure and since human love with its opposites in love and hate is extracted from divine love (eros from agape that itself has no opposite in hate), the quailfying condition is required to freely give to a soul-mate wherein love is blind, but said to be arranged in heaven as perceived by the eye of the soul and therefore a sense of maturity is required, which here then is not mine to give or say, and certainly not part of 'the eternal word' that makes the scripture holy. In this sense 'fuck is fuck' and you either fuck yourself or you do not, and God does not really care but we as individuals should take care for us, and for our family and by extent the clan at large.

It so then is that holiness (whole-ness), exists only in the argument from opposites and here divine union is addressed between heaven and earth and not mere sex between opposites below while sliding on the slippery slope and therefore I hold that the bible has no time to write about a stupid dick (with all respect to the essence of a dick).

And note please that since divine union is within our reach we do have intimations of immortality, which is especially true in the mind of woman who herself was never banned from Eden, and so perhaps moreso in the conscious mind of females by affinity than in the mind of males.

rizdek

I don't know. I don't look that deeply into it. I suspect the myth, before some not-to-smart person wrote it down as the truth, was really a bedtime story, an explanation to children of why, if there is a good god, we have to work so hard and there is so much pain and suffering. Perhaps it was a play enacted to explain some hard to figure out circumstances. It excuses the god and satisfies the children so they'll go to sleep or it entertained folks...like us going to movies now. By the time it got to the form we are familiar with, it was simply a part of one more myth of creation. God made world then man corrupted it with the help of an evil adversary. The simple minded Hebrews took it literally.

I can envision a scenario, like where some older children laugh up their sleeve as younger children lap up the idea of Santa Claus, laughing at some gullible children taking this bedtime story literally. Then, somehow those never-told-otherwise children grew up and as adults began telling the story as the truth instead of a small child's bedtime story.

Chili

Eve is designated as lesser serpent in the chain of command that runs from God, in who's image we are created (sic), via the woman who presides over the TOL as 'taken from man' to be his knowledge retained without an identity of her own and transpersonal as such, to be the incarnate wisdom that is transported by way of incarnation process (our RNA) from generation to generation and so is where the thousand year reign is contained.

In Gen.3:15 this 'greater serpent' is woman who strikes at the head of the 'lesser serpent' that presides over the TOK (Tree of Knowlegde) from where she in turn strikes at the heel of Adam who was banned from Eden as the persona of man. This then is how the ego called Adam took the serpent that he called Eve to be his wife in the conscious mind wherein he is banned from Eden as the subconscious mind of the same man.

Lucifer is just a name assigned similar to the trickle of 'ligth' that the woman 'strikes' into the head of the 'lesser' serpent used to move Adam about, except that here it is second hand as from scripture and other such images that bear witness to truth. They so are iconic but must be connected into the whole, wherefore then the shepherds merely 'looked in' to understand and so also their 'creations' or 'followers' or 'sheep' would be astonished to understand and that is how illumination flows like a dazzling fire inside a conscious mind still said to be as dark as a Cave before this event.

Note please that Lucifer is said to be cast out of heaven and so is present on earth as iconic indeed but in isolation and therefore is and remains as a small amount of truth which then is why Jospeh in Matthew had no shepherds about and hence could not receive illumination . . . and is why was not home when the Magi arrived.

Chili

Here is a post I once wrote to show who those shepherds really are, and may be out of context here but serves to show that Matthew's Joseph had no 'shepherds-on-the-run' and therefore was not home when the Magi arrived. If then the 'grand inquisition' of life leads to the final par-ousia it can so be said that like Macbeth, Joseph's Jesus was the product of a one-night-stand of which TA describes the Herodian Massacre in detail.

Lugubert

Exactly. Onan didn't masturbate; he practised coitus interruptus, so that he wouldn't risk fathering a son with his brother's widow. That was his crime.

lmbarre

I stand corrected. Still it illustrates an example of sexual mores.

sotto voce

Garbage.