aa5874

In order to reconstruct the history of the Jesus cult of Christians we SIMPLY need to FIRST locate CREDIBLE Sources of antiquity.

That is all.

My methodology is Solid and cannot be contradicted by Imagination and Speculation using Sources that are NOT Credible filled with Fiction and Implausibilities like the NT Canon including the Pauline writings.

History at any level is based on Credible Sources.

The writings attributed to Theophilus of Antioch are Compatible with the Recovered Dated Texts of antiquity which show NO Jesus story in the 1st century and before c 70 CE.

Theophilus of Antioch did NOT mention any human character called Jesus Christ who was crucified and resurrected for the Remission of Sins during the reign of Tiberius.

Theophilus wrote about the Antiquity of Christianity WITHOUT mentioning Jesus Christ.

See
http://www.earlychristianwritings.co...lus-book3.html
This chronology from Creation to the Time of the Emperor Aurelius Verus c 161-180 CE did NOT include any thing about Jesus, the disciples and Paul.

The writings attributed to Theophilus of Antioch do show that there were Christians of antiquity who did NOT need Jesus or Paul--just Belief in GOD ALONE.

Duvduv

The reason these texts don't discuss the Jesus issue is because they are not original "Christian" texts but composites involving other documents with some Christian flavor thrown in of a philosophical nature.

Since the Christian references are so few it is more likely that someone chose to adapt the text to a Christian style rather than that he thought that different material sounded like it belong with other material.

It's time the issue of COMPOSITES and significant interpolations be examined more thoroughly including in the case of pauline epistles.

Of course AA cannot prove this is not the case, all he can do is regurgitate his terms of "compatible," "recovered," and "credible" simply because he thinks this is the way to engage in discourse. But it isn't.

J-D

Does aa5874 think this is engaging in discourse? I've seen no evidence of that.

aa5874

You cannot prove what you say. Please, you do not make much sense. I expected you to provide PROOF.

Your assertions are WITHOUT Proof, WITHOUT Source and WITHOUT Evidence.

Where is the PROOF for what you claim??? You PRESENTED NO Proof. Please, just got get Proof.

You are presently engaged in a NO Proof--NO Source--No Evidence argument.
Again, where is the PROOF for your claims?? You REGURGITATE what you think and do so WITHOUT Source, WITHOUT Evidence and WITHOUT Proof.

Please, provide Proof for EVERYTHING you say or you will be wasting my time. You ask for proof and provide NONE.

Now, if you EXAMINE "To Autholycus" there is ZERO-NIL-NONE-NOTHING about Jesus, the disciples and Paul.

This can be seen if you actually read the THREE books "To Autholycus" attributed to Theophilus.

Theophilus claimed claimed he was a Christian and that he Worshiped GOD ALONE.

Theophilus of Antioch did NOT require the teachings of Jesus, the disciples and Paul and used Hebrew Scripture or a similar source for his Christian Beliefs.

The Recovered DATED Texts are HARD EVIDENCE that Christians, the Jesus story and cult did NOT originate in the 4th century but sometime earlier since the 2nd-3rd century.

Duvduv

You have no empirical evidence and neither do I.
How the hell can you present proof for something like this? All you can do is offer a HYPOTHESIS. You weren't there and neither was I. You can't prove someone wrote a text the way you suggest unless you have a video confession, so please spare these statements of yours that make no sense!

aa5874

Please, you MUST accept responsibility for your own ADMITTED lack of evidence. Don't blame others for your No Source--No Evidence--No Proof argument that there was no Jesus story or cult before the 4th century.

Please, you must suffer the consequences of your own ADMITTED lack of evidence.

I told you long ago that you had NO Source or Evidence for your argument.

How the Hell can you present proof that there was no Jesus story or cult before the 4th century??? You MUST present YOUR proof when you ask others the same thing.

Were you living in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th century??? Were you there??? Do you have a video confession??

You can't prove there was NO Jesus story and cult before the 4th century.

You have ADMITTED that you have NO empirical evidence.

Your are ARGUING from Imagination and Speculation.

Now, LOOK at the Recovered DATED Texts.

Look at the Empirical Evidence for MY argument.
See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...stament_papyri

My ARGUMENT is based on the Recovered Dated Texts and Sources that are COMPATIBLE with them.

The Jesus story was KNOWN and WRITTEN since the 2nd-3rd century.

This is EXACTLY and PRECISELY what I expected.

I EXPECTED NO Jesus story and NO Pauline letter dated to the 1st century and before c 70 CE.

My EXPECTATIONS have been CONFIRMED by the Recovered DATED Texts..

The Jesus story and cult was NOT from the 1st century but from sometime in the 2nd century.

I have the PRECISE and EXACT evidence to support my argument.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...stament_papyri

jdboy

He quotes the gospels and mentions how they are related to the OT

"And the Gospel says: "Love your enemies, and pray for them that despitefully use you. For if ye love them who love you, what reward have ye? This do also the robbers and the publicans." And those that do good it teaches not to boast, lest they become men-pleasers. For it says: "Let not your left hand know what your right hand doeth."

aa5874

Again, we have another writer who does NOT mention the Pauline letters and Acts of the Apostles.

There are four 2nd century authors who ADDRESSED their letters to Emperors or mentioned the Emperor of the time of their writing and NONE mentioned Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline writings or show that they were influenced by them.

Up to c 180 CE Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline writings appear to be unknown to Apologetic sources and is compatible with the Recovered Dated Texts.

Justin Martyr wrote during the reign of Antoninus c 138-161 CE and did NOT mention or acknowledge Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline writings but mentioned the Gospels.

Aristides Also wrote during the reign of Antoninus c 138-161 CE and did NOT acknowledge Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline writings but mentioned the Jesus story.

Theophilus of Antioch wrote during the reign of Aurelius Verus c 161-180 CE and did NOT acknowledge Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline writings but mentioned the Gospels.

Athenagoras of Antioch wrote during the reign of Emperors Marcus Aurelius Anoninus and Lucius Aurelius Commodus c 177-180 CE and did NOT mention or acknowledge Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline letters but mentioned teachings of the Logos.

Duvduv

AA is CERTAIN of this because he was there and has video confessions of each of these people, and can swear by the Holy Bible that none of them is a forgery or composite DESPITE all the content and contextual contradictions and confusion.

aa5874

Your statement does NOT require any knowledge of sources of antiquity or the recovered DATED Texts and can be easily rebutted with your own words.

You are engaged in a NO Source--NO Evidence--NO Proof argument that there was NO Jesus story and cult before the 4th century.

Duvduv "is CERTAIN of this because he was there and has video confessions of each of these people, and can swear by the Holy Bible that none of them is a forgery or composite DESPITE all the content and contextual contradictions and confusion".

I have Sources of antiquity that are compatible with the Recovered Dated Texts where it is claimed the authors wrote in the 2nd century.

The Abundance of evidence suggest that the Jesus story and cult was known since the 2nd century.

"First Apology" of JustinThe Apology of AristidesA Plea for the Christians of Athenagoras "To Autolycus"