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Old 01-24-2013, 10:31 AM   #21
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Off the topic. I have been an observer of aa for some time. There are moments when the facade of barbarity disappears. Look at the sophistication of this sentence, how it is put together...
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Again, Doherty fails to grasp the fact the Hebrew is unattested, anonymous and without any know (sic!) date of authorship.

It is most remarkable that you would isolate a 'tipo' in order to win an argument.

Something is radically wrong here.

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aa, is not who he pretends to be. The person pretending to be aa is parodying the average poster here. That's why he often contradicts himself. It's all a joke.
What contradictions are you talking about?? You don't know the difference between a 'tipo' and a contradiction.

Doherty's challenge is MOOT. He assumes that Epistle Hebrews was composed before the Canonised Gospels and that Hebrews Jesus was never on earth

The very Canonised stories of Jesus do NOT reflect any notion at all that Jesus was never on earth.

The authors of the Jesus stories claimed without any contradiction that their Jesus was buried by Joseph of Aritmathea.

Their stories that Jesus was buried by Joseph of Aritmathea suggest that authors' stories were compatible with Epistle Hebrews or that it was NOT known to them.

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When the even was come , there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple : 58He went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered .
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Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came , and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.
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50And, behold , there was a man named Joseph, a counsellor; and he was a good man, and a just:51 (The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them) he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews : who also himself waited for the kingdom of God.52This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.
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And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave . He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.
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Old 01-24-2013, 11:15 AM   #22
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I would like to suggest to the mods that aa and Chili be shipped off to their own board. Give them a 'world to bustle in' by themselves and eliminate a lot of the clutter on this one.

Stephan, will you second that motion?

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Your suggestion is absurd.

You made a challenge that Hebrews 8.4 refers to a Jesus that was never on earth.

I am pointing out that your challenge is Moot because the authors of the Canonised Gospels if they wrote AFTER Epistle Hebrews do NOT show that Jesus Christ was NOT on earth.

If as you claim Jesus was not on earth in Hebrews then you cannot explain why FIVE Canonised authors of the Jesus stories do NOT corroborate at all that Jesus was never on earth.

It is clear that there are TWO fundamental answers.

1. The authors of the Gospel, if they wrote later, are compatible with Epistle Hebrews, that is, in antiquity the Jesus of Hebrews was considered to have been on earth.

2. The Epistle Hebrews was Unknown to the Canonised authors of the Jesus stories.

In fact, the present existing evidence do support any one.

Apologetic sources that made reference to Epistle Hebrews also claimed Jesus was on earth and the first mention of an Epistle to the Hebrews is AFTER the Gospels were ALREADY composed.
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Doherty's argument is hopelessly flawed.

When Doherty proposes that the Later Gospels "fleshed" out Jesus then he cannot explain why Epistle Hebrews was not also Fleshed out in order to be compatible with them if it was the intention of the Church to later claim Jesus was NOT only celestial.

We would expect that it would be prudent for the interpolators and redactors to FLESH out the Entire Canon.

As soon as Doherty argued that the NT was manipulated then his argument was destroyed because he cannot ever explain why Epistle Hebrews was left unmolested.

But, the answer is rather simple.

Epistle Hebrews was unknown to the Gospel writers and did NOT show Jesus was never on earth.
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Doherty's argument is hopelessly flawed.

When Doherty proposes that the Later Gospels "fleshed" out Jesus then he cannot explain why Epistle Hebrews was not also Fleshed out in order to be compatible with them if it was the intention of the Church to later claim Jesus was NOT only celestial.

We would expect that it would be prudent for the interpolators and redactors to FLESH out the Entire Canon.

As soon as Doherty argued that the NT was manipulated then his argument was destroyed because he cannot ever explain why Epistle Hebrews was left unmolested.

But, the answer is rather simple.

Epistle Hebrews was unknown to the Gospel writers and did NOT show Jesus was never on earth.
"Your honor, my client was hardly guilty of killing the two parents of this family since he left their six-year-old child unmolested."

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