Robert Tulip

Hi mountainman. The difference between the sidereal and tropical years is the measure of precession of the equinox. The tropical equinoxes and solstices precess against the sidereal zodiac constellations by 50 arc seconds per year, as do all the constellations in their precession around the ecliptic poles.

Astronomy calculates the year as primarily tropical, from solstice to solstice or equinox to equinox, while the sidereal position of the stars will drift against these dates with one cycle per 25765 years, the period known as the Great Year.

The period of the sidereal year is 365.256363004 days. This is 6 hours and 9.1626 minutes longer than the standard calendar year of 365 days, and 20m24.5128s longer than the mean tropical year of 365.242 days at J2000.0 The difference between 0.242 and 0.250 is the reason there are leap years only in every fourth century year.

There are 50 rowers on the Argo of Jason, and Gilgamesh routinely travels fifty leagues a day. These numbers may encode accurate observation of the precession. For example, the constellation Argo appears on a given date and time such as the south meridian at nearly one minute of arc later than it did on the same date in the previous year. After a lifetime, 71.6 years, Argo rises one degree of arc or four minutes of time later.

Robert Tulip

I am not familiar with your opinions outhouse, but I like your euphemism for what we call in Australia a shithouse or a dunny. I can't imagine though why anyone wanting to be taken seriously would call themselves after an ablution block.

You maintain that the invention of Christ is "completely and utterly out of context with what we have for written evidence." There is no real evidence, whether complete or utter, for Jesus. Your making such a wrong comment in the face of the whole panoply of evidence for the invention of Christ makes me conclude you must be a Jesus fundamentalist. I am sorry for you if you do indeed suffer from that unfortunate condition. I do hope you get over it soon. Perhaps we could then have a conversation about facts and logic.

Chili

Nice Robert, beautiful actually, well done, interesting to me and maybe fascinating for others, but why pick a loser to invent a story? They crucified him, remember? . . . outside the city, to be sure, and kind of just left him hanging there if it wasn't for Joseph who had an interest in the ordeal so that sanity will be his in the end.

I think you have infinity mixed up with eternity in the aspect of time, wherein the temporal must be crucified, they call it, to set free the Man who has no equal under God, now as Lord God eternal in the infinite continuum of time that is known as God to make eternity known. Please consider this:

Infinity has no beginning and no end.

Eternity has a beginning but no end.

Temporal has a beginning and an end.

So it is a given that infinity must 'be' before eternity can be known to us as humans below were we are called flatlanders in relation to our temporal existence in a world that is created to exist in the singular that we know as TOK, or left brain, shall we say, but maybe better called our Lymbic System to include our short term memory bank so we can count our money as outsider to our self in the TOL.

It is in the TOL that we exist in the plural and there have continuity to make infinity known, that we call God. It is for this reason that the heavens are created in the plural to make it round in our perspective, simply because we will increasingly be less influenced by our own lineage the further back we go inside our own thousand year reign so that we will move on and move forward in time as we know it today, but nevertheless is, all and always will be, that which against we struggle to find out who we really are.

So I am a Deterninist here as flatlander who, for example, in the Australian Outback would decorate himself with colors of distinction so he will seen and not remain like a yellow bus in the desert wearing a camelhair coat 'driven to seek' in the boredom of life as it is.

The 'fiery revolving sword' just would not allow that to be with a 'voluptuous seraph' beside him who is stacked with all the goodies he found her and now is calling him home, to be with her forever and ever in a new land of the their own to enjoy the fruits of their labor so that old age will never be in evidence that true love is forever young and never dies, . . . or infinity could no longer be infinite as an end in itself. This is from Gen.3:15 where now enmity is converted into friendship as made known between Herod/Caesar and Pilate in Luke and in John.

This points at the famous line, or at least at one time was famous: My Lord AND my God when all doubt was removed as an opposite to faith, and thus omniscience was made real.

Crucifixion makes reference to the human heart as the crossroads where this all takes place. "The Spire" presents this nicely: "My Son. The building is a diagram of prayer; and our spire will be a diagram of the highest prayer of all. God revealed it to me in a vision, his unprofitable servant."

I myself think that the -ism does not belong to the word myth in the same way as it does not belong to man as the both the beginning and the end in the continuity of life that brings us about, to say that we belong until we are.

Robert Tulip

Ancient Hebrew measurement was a lot more cosmic than is generally understood. The High Priest had an ephod, a breastplate, to be worn only in the holy of holies, and which Josephus and Philo attest had twelve jewels symbolising the twelve signs of the zodiac, arrayed four by three. Josephus explains how the curtain rent twain in the temple encoded the cosmos.

So yes, geometry and time are intimately linked in the Hebrew imagination, the geometry of the location of the lights in the sky and the time of their positions. Philo explains as one example how Passover is always held when the sun is in Aries. This was a basic ancient geometry of time. Imagine the shock in 4BC when a blood moon rose in the east from Jerusalem at dusk on the Passover on 23 March. The red colour indicates exact opposition of the full eclipsed moon to the sun, as the moon passes through earth’s shadow in exact syzygy. Therefore if the sun is in Aries the blood moon will appear in Libra. But no, this blood moon at the Passover spring equinox was at the foot of the woman, like the woman with twelve stars described as a great sign seen in heaven in Revelation 12:1. Virgo the Virgin marked the new lunisolar axis of Easter, opposite Pisces the Fishes. Thank you Sheshbazzar, I would be interested in your comment explaining what you see as the basic mathematical and geometrical principles. I see the earth’s spin wobble as the deep determinant of the structure of time, shaping the evolutionary niche in which human genetics has emerged. The core axiom, as above so below, connects the earth to the cosmos through patterns of time and space that can be analysed and measured and compared.

A basic spatiotemporal foundation of our planetary place in the solar system, considered as a total unit, is that the earth’s spin wobble is in resonance with the pulse of the sun at a ratio of 1:144. The wobble and pulse produce the twelve zodiac ages as their physical spatiotemporal joining point. The zodiac age of duration 2147 years is a stable cyclic earth-sun measure of time that has governed our planetary system over billions of years, in fact providing the cosmic model for our twelve hour clock face.

The extraordinary thing, unknowable to the ancients, is that the sun has a pulse against the centre of mass driven by the cycles of the gas giant planets Jupiter, Saturn and Neptune, which come together in conjunction precisely twelve times in each zodiac age, at points marking the twelve hours of our clock.

That is an important observation Sheshbazzar. Precession of the equinox provides a framework for mythology, and has done so since at least the Epic of Gilgamesh. Just as Gilgamesh spoke of the victory over the Bull of Heaven, signalling the end of the Age of Taurus, we are now at a cusp between Pisces and Aquarius, with a new age incubating in the womb of the old.

Yeats spoke of the sphinx slouching towards Bethlehem. The Sphinx Stela, with its diagram based on the Aquarius Leo Axis of the Golden Age, indicates the wealth of ancient symbolism that celebrates this point we are approaching, when the God Aion - Man, Lion, Eagle and Snake - reaches a focal point.

Part of the incubation of the Age of Aquarius is comprehension of ancient knowledge. There are big blockages in the way of explaining such material, as much cultural as anything.
I love the idea of making up new calendars based on physics. For example, lunar months marked by the phases of the moon as weeks would be a useful reform if it could be combined with a solar calendar of months based on the solstices and equinoxes. It is handy for the name of a month to tell you if days are getting longer or shorter, and if days are longer or shorter than nights.

The BC/AD calendar model is under assault firstly from the BCE/CE convention of ecumenical scholarship, but now also from geology and climate science preferring Before Present (BP) to recalibrate to the third millennium. It is interesting to know how many thousand years ago the Holocene started, and how many thousand years ago was the last glacial maximum, and the times of fastest sea level rise, and where the stars were at any given time. Calibrating such dates against the time of Christ is confusing, whereas Before Present tells us how long ago it was.

I think of the year 2168 as the start of the Age of Aquarius, based on 21 AD plus 2147 years. This is a simple scientific model using the stars of Pisces as the template for an age.

There are other possible models, especially based on the orbital cycle of the solstice and the perihelion. The perihelion now occurs about 3 January and will reach northern midsummer in about ten thousand years. Perihelion date is a summary predictor of climate, absent anthropogenic factors.

To venture beyond a simple scientific model into historical prediction, we might expect similar turmoil between now and 2168 as happened in the 155 years leading up to 21 AD, when the equinox precessed into Pisces, an event encoded as the myth of Christ.

outhouse

Nonsense. As your whole post is. You take some internet bloggers view that has beendebunked a thousand times, and then try to pass it off here like it really means something.


Your digging up something that has long been buried.


The unfortunate condition you call, is nothing more then education and knowledge.

Robert Tulip

So let me get this straight outhouse.

I presume you are saying the claim that Jesus Christ did not exist has been debunked a thousand times. Okay you are a Jesus Fundamentalist, as you are using a fundamentalist definition of debunk, delinked from evidence and logic. Each to their own.

Just like the science of evolution has been "debunked a thousand times" by creationist fundamentalists. Such rhetoric is flatulent.

outhouse

My statement doesnt have anything to do with a historical jesus.

Only that the version your failing to promote has been busted for years as a failure.

Robert Tulip

outhouse, when you say something has been "debunked a thousand times", it appears you are referring to the Christ Myth Theory, which has been the subject of widespread though ineffectual debunking efforts.

If my claim that Christianity is based on an explicit 'as above so below' cosmology has been debunked, I would like to see it just once, let alone a thousand times. Your gratuitous false generalisation does not do your argument any help.

As Earl Doherty argues, we see this Jesus Fundamentalist claim all the time that mythicism has been refuted, but each 'refutation' when investigated shows to be pathetic, illogical and unscientific.

outhouse

Im not dealing with any other version but the one your trying to promote.


Your digging up a dead carcass

Robert Tulip

I thought this forum was meant to apply higher standards than poking your fingers in your ears and saying 'I can't hear you'.

Outhouse has produced some colourful language but no substantive comment.

If the "dead carcass" here was how the ancients actually thought, a stellar cosmology provides an actual framework within which we can understand Christian evolution.