WVIncagold

So the end of times already occurred? Because Russia is no longer referred to as the "iron curtain". Germany used the "iron cross" how cum you don't see them as a threat? How about the Pittsburgh Steelers maybe thats what you should be interpreting. the real threat comes from Pennsylvania. Honestly this makes no sense. Unless of course you are expecting for war to break out in 1950 and want us to prepare for it. Strength of iron talks about the Sword. Strength of the Sword. Which made sense back when Swords were something beside show pieces on the wall.

So is Norway, Greece, Poland, Germany, blah blah blah. They will have strength of iron yet they collapsed. HMMMM how can you possibly rationalize such nonsense? Right an Gog and Magog and Agog do not exist now. What a quandary you have. I also wonder why the list never includes anything in south or north Americas?
And we supply the other side with weapons. big deal a bunch of people killing each other over who's imaginary friend is more powerful. Capitalism at its finest.

Persia? is their a kingdom currently named Persia? or is that again to be allegory? Considering we supply Saudi Arabia i say the stakes are pretty much even. How come no prophecy about the United States supplying weapons to Israel and Saudi Arabia?

As we supply SA. Again big deal. Also lest we forget WE supplied weapons to Iran until the shaw was thrown out. Even those religious zealots don't like a king!

Which ones though? because until you guys are one vice saying the same thing your pretty much just making a muddy mess of things. It is anything but clear. its ravings of a madman in a cave against Rome according to people who have no vested interest in dominating others by fear.



The why so much confusion. Once a week a new sheeple comes on here with totally contradictory assertions. Understand the confusion of those who do not have the bible colored glasses on sipping their mint zombie julep.

Don't know and the truth is neither do you. you just want it to be Russia. It could very well be the United States for all you know.

So wishful thinking and has nothing to do with it? I personally believe you are reading into things in order to keep your cognitive dissonance alive in your own mind. You interpret it to be Russia because at one time it and other countries were called the iron curtain. But we supplied just as much weapons to Afghan aginast the Russians and to the Shaw. So since your talking about used to be's it could also be the united States since we too are "north" of Israel.

But in this case it a bunch of things put together in order to perpetuate your interest in the death of all who do not believe as you do. As was posted by another and you did not even discuss it there is more to this the the river drying up and weapons to the kingdom of Persia (which does not exist) To be attacked by other kingdoms ( which do not exist) when ALL the Hebrews reside in the kingdom of Israel (which does not exist) and the temple mount being built (currently occupied by a Muslim Masque) ( never mind the dimensions given will not fit on the temple mount) never minds after never minds. Just make up shit in order to make you think you know something we do not.

WVIncagold

BWAHHHHH:rolling:


So please show us the current Kingdom of Persia. Not where it was but where it is now. We all know where it was, and it fluctuated as all kingdoms at one time did, so is this all the lands Persia once held or what it was diminished to before it "evaporated" off the planet?

Johnny Skeptic

The Bible says that the Euphrates River will dry up. How do you interpret "dry up"? How do you know what the writer of the book of John meant? There is still a lot of water in the Euphrates River.

Consider the following from Wikipedia:

How do you explain that?

IBelieveInHymn

Jesus is saying listen to the prophecy, and watch for the signs because the time will be near. Is that not what I'm doing?

This will be the return of Christ in coming days.

Yes, and if you read Mark 9:3 (I think) you will see Jesus was transfigured into a bright white light. Jesus is the kingdom of God.

What was Jesus talking about in this verse?

Yes, this verse means, Christ shall return on a cloud, and every eye shall witness this event. This was not even possible until the 20th century with the invention of satelites, cable tv, and internet. And "even those who pierced him", meaning even the dead shall be raised.

jakejonesiv

Hi IBelieveInHymn,

Since you are honestly sharing your thoughts, I have another question.

Do you see any distinction between the Rapture and the Second Coming?

Do you believe in the pre-Tribulation rapture theory? If so, why must any of these prophecies be fulfilled before the Rapture of the Church?

Best,
Jake

spin

You certainly do. Stop projecting.

Where did you get the phrase from?

In short Ezekiel doesn't say what you claimed. Gog's army will be clothed "with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords". With Gog's army will be "Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them" and "all of them with shield and helmet". You've merely dreamed up your ridiculous claim about the mighty north supplying Persia.

And notice how you single out Persia and blatantly ignore Ethiopia and Libya. I can imagine in the headier days of old fool Reagan bombarding Tripoli how one would talk of Libya rather than Iran. It's a case of selective blindness.


spin

jakejonesiv

No, I don't believe you are. The text, written about 95 CE says "for the time is near," not as you rephrase it, "the time will be near."

If "near" has any meaning in human comprehensible terms, 19 centuries later isn't it.

Best,
Jake

Dark Virtue

IBIH,

You are using the exact same arguments that your fellow Christians have used for two thousand years.

You are no more "right" than them. You are laying everything at the foot of your BELIEF, not KNOWLEDGE...those are two very different things.

Here's a question I'm sure we'd all like the answer to...how long are these "end of days"? Will you live your whole life claiming to be in the end days? After a long life, will you die happy knowing the "end times" are just around the corner? Again, Christians have been doing this for quite a long time, and they were ALL WRONG.

When will you say enough is enough and admit defeat?

What if, next year there are torrential downpours and the river you keep claiming to dry out now overflows its banks? Will you cast your beliefs on some sort of flood prophecy?

You have yet to explain why YOU, TODAY, are any different than a Christian two thousand years ago.

Can you not, objectively, stand back and look at the past two thousand years and see what's wrong with the picture? You, yourself, said your fellow Christians were living on the "lunatic fringe", but you fail to see your finger is pointed squarely at yourself. WE can, because we're being objective about it.

Johnny Skeptic

Message to IBelieveInHymn: Do you intend to reply to my posts #109 and #113? If you intend to reply to them, please reply to all of my arguments.

IBelieveInHymn

The Almighty, traditional but incorrect rendering of the divine title shaddai, of uncertain meaning.

Abram and Abraham are merely two forms of the same name, both meaning, "the father is exalted"; another variant form is Abiram (Numbers 16:1; 1 Kings 16:34). The additional -ha- in the form Abraham is explained by folk etymology as coming from ab-hamon goyim, "father of a host of nations."


The prophecy is the land of Israel. Verse (8) is about the everlasting covenant with Abraham and Isaac.

You are confused. The symbol of God’s everlasting covenant was that of circumcision, “a token of the covenant between me and you” Genesis 17:11.


I've seen it all before. It's a pure nonsensical approach to make Christians look bad. And how God must not exist because Christians are self-fulfilling their own prophecy.

http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Hol..._atzma_ut.html

In 568 B.C Nebuchadnezzar did in fact actually invade Egypt. A fragmentary historical document indicates that Nebuchadnezzar actually campaigned in Egypt, subjugating parts of the country during the rule of Amasis, about 568 BC. Nebuchadnezzar took massive booty, as predicted by Ezekiel. Ezekiel never prophesied that Nebuchadnezzar would conquer all of Egypt. It says that he will campaign there, taking land and plunder as his reward. Ezekiel 29:19 was in fact fulfilled at that time to the letter