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makerowner · 01-23-2008, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by arnoldo

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Originally Posted by Johnny Skeptic

Why didn't God give Abraham, or Issac if you wish, all the land of Canaan like he promised to?

Yes, right after God promised Abraham the land he left the land due to a famine in Genesis 12. If the promise was everlasting then Abraham should have remained in the land and not have gone into Egypt.

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אֶת-הָאָרֶץ הַזֹּאת; וַיִּבֶן שָׁם מִזְבֵּחַ, לַיהוָה הרְאֶה אֵלָ 7
And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said: 'Unto thy seed will I give this land'; and he builded there an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.
ח וַיַּעְתֵּק מִשָּׁם הָהָרָה, מִקֶּדֶם לְבֵית-אֵל--וַיֵּט אָהֳלֹה; בֵּית-אֵל מִיָּם, וְהָעַי מִקֶּדֶם, וַיִּבֶן-שָׁם
And he removed from thence unto the mountain on the east of Beth-el, and pitched his tent, having Beth-el on the west, and Ai on the east; and he builded there an altar unto the LORD, and called upon the name of the LORD.
9 And Abram journeyed, going on still toward the South. {P}
י10 And there was a famine in the land; and Abram went down into Egypt to sojourn there; for the famine was sore in the land.
וַיְהִי רָעָב, בָּאָרֶץ; וַיֵּרֶד אַבְרָם מִצְרַיְמָה לָגוּר שָׁם, כִּי-כָבֵד הָרָעָב בָּאָרֶץ.

So your argument is basically that God is a shyster? "Sorry, Abram, old buddy, you should have read the fine print. The covenant's void if you leave the land. Oh, and acts of God aren't covered in the policy."

Minimalist · 01-23-2008, 04:36 PM

God is not a shyster....but he keeps the law firm of Raipe, Pillage & Slaughter on retainer.

Joan of Bark · 01-23-2008, 09:11 PM

And another question: do Jews have any say in entering into this covenant? If you are born Jewish, are you automatically stuck with this contract? I think I'd be contacting my lawyers and claiming: "I never signed this thing, therefore I am not bound by the terms and conditions ... "

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01-23-2008, 04:36 PM	#22
Minimalist Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,808	God is not a shyster....but he keeps the law firm of Raipe, Pillage & Slaughter on retainer.

01-23-2008, 09:11 PM	#23
Joan of Bark Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Pua, in northern Thailand Posts: 2,823	And another question: do Jews have any say in entering into this covenant? If you are born Jewish, are you automatically stuck with this contract? I think I'd be contacting my lawyers and claiming: "I never signed this thing, therefore I am not bound by the terms and conditions ... "

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