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Old 02-15-2008, 10:47 AM   #21
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Can you point me to this proof that the NT is fiction?
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There are many more fictitious events but I will give you this, for now.


Luke 1.30-31&34 -35

1. Angels do not exist.
2. Mary could not have spoken to an angel.
3. Mary claimed she had no sexual contact with any man, so Mary could not have a child at that time.
4. There is no such thing as an Holy Ghost.
5. The Holy Ghost cannot impregnate Mary.


I conclude Jesus, as described in the NT, is fiction
Can you substantiate #1, #3 and #4 as true?
1. I have never encountered an angel. I know of no census in the entire known world that have registered angels as living at any time, and with the name Gabriel. No angels have been identified, or can be identified with or without wings.

3. It is was unheard of for a woman to be impregnated in the year 6BCE- 6 CE without semen.

4. I have never encountered the Holy Ghost. I know of no census that have registered any living substance called the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost has never been identified with or without his Holiness or his Spirit.
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1. I have never encountered an angel. I know of no census in the entire known world that have registered angels as living at any time, and with the name Gabriel. No angels have been identified, or can be identified with or without wings.
Are angels supposed to be beings that are readily seen, identifiable and accessible by humans? If not, what consequences does that have for your substantiation of #1?

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3. It is was unheard of for a woman to be impregnated in the year 6BCE- 6 CE without semen.
Is the alleged event reported as a natural occurrence such as would be heard of it in that time period or it reported as a supernatural event that we wouldn't expect to be heard of in that time period? If the latter, then what consequences would that have on your subtantiation?

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4. I have never encountered the Holy Ghost. I know of no census that have registered any living substance called the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost has never been identified with or without his Holiness or his Spirit.
Same response on this as with #1.
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Can you substantiate #1, #3 and #4 as true?


Are angels supposed to be beings that are readily seen, identifiable and accessible by humans? If not, what consequences does that have for your substantiation of #1?



Is the alleged event reported as a natural occurrence such as would be heard of it in that time period or it reported as a supernatural event that we wouldn't expect to be heard of in that time period? If the latter, then what consequences would that have on your subtantiation?

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4. I have never encountered the Holy Ghost. I know of no census that have registered any living substance called the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost has never been identified with or without his Holiness or his Spirit.
Same response on this as with #1.
I have already answered your questions. See Luke 1.30-31 & 34-35. You are just repeating the same questions over and over.
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You are just repeating the same questions over and over.
That should suggest that your answers were either not understood or require further explication.

Then again, it really works well with your tendency to just repeat the same answers over and over.
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The NT, based on years of investigation, is just fiction. Is there anyone who can prove me wrong? Is there any credible non-apologetic source that can show that Jesus, the 12 disciples and Paul are not fiction?

I have already checked and examined carefully the extant writings of Philo and I cannot find anything at all about Jesus, his disciples and Paul. I have gone through all the extant writings of Josephus, I found only found forgeries of Jesus Christ. I looked at Tacitus, Suetonius, and Pliny the younger and there is nothing on Jesus, his disciples and Paul.

I hear that plenty people have credible information, but I can't even find one.
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The NT, based on years of investigation, is just fiction. ....
What do you mean JUST fiction?

There are different forms of fiction; there are good and bad uses of fiction. Fiction can be a powerful propaganda tool. Fiction is a human product that reflects its author, its audience, and the entire social milieu that produced it.

There's a lot to fiction. There are people who make a living analysing fiction, not to mention the people who write it and the people who base their lives on fiction, even when they know it is fiction.

Don't turn into a broken record here.
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Are angels supposed to be beings that are readily seen, identifiable and accessible by humans? If not, what consequences does that have for your substantiation of #1?



Is the alleged event reported as a natural occurrence such as would be heard of it in that time period or it reported as a supernatural event that we wouldn't expect to be heard of in that time period? If the latter, then what consequences would that have on your subtantiation?



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I have already answered your questions. See Luke 1.30-31 & 34-35. You are just repeating the same questions over and over.
No, if you check carefully you'll find that you didn't answer my last set of questions at all.
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Are angels supposed to be beings that are readily seen, identifiable and accessible by humans? If not, what consequences does that have for your substantiation of #1?



Is the alleged event reported as a natural occurrence such as would be heard of it in that time period or it reported as a supernatural event that we wouldn't expect to be heard of in that time period? If the latter, then what consequences would that have on your subtantiation?



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I have already answered your questions. See Luke 1.30-31 & 34-35. You are just repeating the same questions over and over.
No, if you check carefully you'll find that you didn't answer my last set of questions at all.
Well, the bible talks about angels coming to earth and walking among us, so I guess they should be detectable in some way. Although, to me they are nothing but wishful thinking.
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No, if you check carefully you'll find that you didn't answer my last set of questions at all.
Well, the bible talks about angels coming to earth and walking among us, so I guess they should be detectable in some way. Although, to me they are nothing but wishful thinking.
You are obviously not an authority on angels. I take that you are more into two by fours and stuff like that and you are right, you do not see many of these walking among us.
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The NT, based on years of investigation, is just fiction. ....
What do you mean JUST fiction?

There are different forms of fiction; there are good and bad uses of fiction. Fiction can be a powerful propaganda tool. Fiction is a human product that reflects its author, its audience, and the entire social milieu that produced it.

There's a lot to fiction. There are people who make a living analysing fiction, not to mention the people who write it and the people who base their lives on fiction, even when they know it is fiction.

Don't turn into a broken record here.
But I only used the word "fiction" once in my OP, you used it nine times.
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