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Old 03-24-2013, 04:51 AM   #741
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Augustine, as primarily a literal believer in Jesus, nonetheless suggests there is a lot more allegory in the Bible than meets the eye, and is dismissive of those who cannot see the obvious symbolism in Genesis.
But literal believer in Jesus does not make Jesus human and a sinner like the rest of us.

Jesus is the fiery revolving sword at the gate of Eden that was personally encountered by Augustine, and that is what made him Saint Augustine after Jesus opened the gate for him, and obviously, Augustine left him there.

So now Jesus is more real that any of us here, but that does not make him human like the rest of us . . . simply because the temporal is not real but only the eternal is real, and to reach that in destiny Jesus is the way in Christendom, now so with with both a beginning and en end so we can also reach that end. He therefore is called insurrectionist to make that movement known inside the human mind, in plain English I would say.
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[We have to recognise that there was an insistence among the ancient mystery schools that their important teachings were conveyed by word of mouth rather than by written text. This practice made these teachings immensely vulnerable to extinction, since killing, dispersing and proscribing the teachers could readily break an oral tradition. Against such hostility, it seems plausible that the written versions we have conceal their real original intent in order to evade censorship. The task now becomes reconstructing what makes sense from the fragments.
Oh sure, and write our own KJV to fortify our own salvation recipe, by a 100 scholars was it? in a language that a common man cannot even understand to point at intelligence as the key to understand while in fact the opposite is true!
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Old 03-24-2013, 06:37 AM   #743
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Spin said "Beside this sort of signalling and Paul's "this is allegorical", anything that is not so signaled must be considered in doubt and certainly cannot be assumed." Augustine considers such an argument to be idiotic, because Genesis is obviously full of allegory, even where it is not signaled explicitly. I agree with Augustine. There is no signalling that the snake in Genesis 3 is anything other than a snake. We are left with the apocryphal Freud line 'a cigar is sometimes just a cigar', by spin's rejection of any allegory that is not spoon fed.
But allegories serve a purpose to point at truth that must be charmed into existence, and she is a snake to make upright known with intergrity. So the snake is real, and will teach us to think when the going gets tough, and married her even to be temple tramp in our own TOK wherein our allegiance to her in essence is the difference between liberal and conservative as a mindset we behold. She is Eve and we are Adam as social animal now.
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The (relatively recent-- 1854) doctrine of the immaculate conception has nothing to do with the insemination of Mary, let alone an insemination by God. It has to do with the idea that she was conceived and born without the stain of original sin on her soul and that she was was filled from the moment of her conception with the sanctifying grace normally conferred during baptism

hat you seem to be unaware of this does not inspire any confidence in me at you know what you are talking about in any of the other claims you make.

Could you provide us please with some primary source material that shows that Egyptians always believed in in the perpetual virginity of Isis?

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Yes, the Immaculate Conception was first verbalized by Bernadette but it was iconic ever since the creation of the myth. Myths are words stories of reality seen by the mythmaker and this was just one of them, here now made dogmatic as received by the visionary (I think).

And there was no insemination in any shape or form, not by God or anyone, but it is true that Gabriel was send, first cause from God telling man that it was time to spin his own coccoon. That's all, but notice, that in Luke it is an internal or intuit drive (first cause origination of the primary*), opposite to which for Matthew it was in a dream and thus human by design wherein destiny is seen, true enough, but via desire (much like Macbeth**) that so now becomes, or yields, a forceful entree into the promised land = either reborn of God OR by carnal desire as John 1:13 presents to us.

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* This is called a first order enthymeme wherein the major was missing = 'who am I' and 'why is goodness good?'

** Called a third order enthymeme wherein the conclusion is seen and the major is taken by force = 'you better be good' and 'this' is why! . . . that here now equals a forceful entree into the promised land also called the holy of holies inside the mind of man that renders the HS violated, by force, as Moses did, that so become spirtual fornication here, or spiritual pedophilia of the innocent believer now for whom the millstone is assigned. IOW, it violates the essence of virginity in humans that is hymen between our TOL and TOK and very much anti-rational as made known by the enmity between the offspring in Gen. 3:15, and later again is presented by the Herod-Pilate dichotomy who become friends again in Luke 23:12 to make peace on earth known, but only in Luke and not in Matthew or in Mark where now agony prevails to make deprivation known of the same while seeing par-ousia (second coming), but never entertain and hence that state of mind is known as lukewarm.

Parthenos is parthenocarpic, like seedless seed in the non-human womb called woman as taken from her man to be his wherewithal (dowry in bethrothal) in the 'divine union' that makes omniscience known that heretofore was intuit only, as explained in Aristotle's last paragraph of his Posterior Analytics. Book II wherein scienticifc inquiry cannot be greater than intuition from where all are primary premises originate, (my chain of command of Gen:3:15 = from the TOL to the TOK to his heel = via woman to Eve to Adam) = we are determined with no free will until we are of one mind ourself.

First cause here is prior man and so prior to Lord God of Gen. 2 where the son must be identified for 'him' to be the firstbegotton son and be Lord God himself, now as Man identified -- instead of a gorilla maybe as some people think what reincanation is all about (Shirley Maclean here now = Hollywood).

Hence the son will have a lineage of his own in the sonhip of the father, obviously, via 'the' woman now identified as Elizabeth who was the neutron of the nucleus that first conceived to be the germ of life that we call the sperm = ex nihilo creation inside the TOK of 'like-god' (or human) but masculine' (proton) as distinct from TOL as 'woman' (neutron), wherein life was received by the nucleus of the atom as matter now that here now is re-emergent via Mary who makes her presentation known in the TOK as Immaculate Conceived, . . . for which no Sanctifying grace is needed as real beneath all sophistry, but by the rule of Elizabeth in the mind of Joseph to which he obliged as upright Jew in the manner of tradition.

So parthenos here is Elizabeth who's fruit is prior to the virgin made manifest now in the TOK where the world is at as opposed to heaven in the TOL. Notice here that John can from the TOL and Jesus from the TOK as temporal now himself as insurrectionist with a mandate to make heaven know on earth, and thus hell became known in Christendom as two opposites in destiny.

Just personification is all it is and poetry is full of it, but he needs a critic to explain what he just wrote in that lyric vision cannot see what noetic has to say, and finally is why Pure Reason is the art that they call philosophy opposite to which intelligence is sophistry wherein 'the seeer is looking to see' and therefore 'cannot not see the seer see.'

This would be in the same way that Paul was riding his high horse to persecute Christians, that is presented only to identify the liability he was to himself and subsequently had to get knocked down from this high horse to see, which now makes persecution the means to the end and hence sin is good as therein life is first created to be encountered later as the source of the [ultimate] good itself, . . . and here is that primary again found re-emergent in the genus of Plato here, or Odin: Downward I peered/ to ruins applied myself/ wailing learned of them/ and fell down thence.

And of course Mary was conceived without original sin, to say that she was not human, and therefore 100% woman as not banned from Eden and does not even have a soul but is the soul of man presiding over the TOL in him = his parthenos and so the holy of holies for the Jew that only the high Priest can enter for that reason.

And from there She is our guardian angel (also Queen of angels) that they called daimon, as female now, that in the neuter violates her priority to become diamonion in deprivation wherein the essence of integrity is rent to nourish from the same source as born again or look-alike as described in Plato's Seventh Epistle without the telic insight (that we call Peter's rock of faith) that yielded par-ouisia to unite the father with the son (syn-ousia) for which parthenos is the alpha (Elizabeth) of the physical to yield syzen, now omniscient as being Son in the alpha and omega. And please note here that alpha and omega was prior to syzen that yields I AM in person made know in 'to be' (to on) as in the Christ who makes the Man, and so the son is the fruit of the womb of man in perpetuity (that also makes "the child becomes the father of the man" a classic in poetry).

And never think that our guardian angel is masculine, as fire, unless we are on fire for the Lord and call him Jesus as mediator without end and hence will die nontheless, IN history to boot.

"Him" here now is the animal man to which later the illusory ego is attached when his eyes were opened and could see for himself in the TOK, and it is to this image that the name Adam was attached, by God, NB, to make it generic in mankind, and that image is called Adam in Judaism/Christendom . . . which in turn makes Nazareth that big little city of God inside the mind of a Jew that is formed there by way of tradition [only], and so now is where Mary was from, which in its turn makes an Egyptian know with the void where the woman was from, and hence no manger to be seen in Matthew as there was in Luke because Zechariah was not there. Consequently 'out of Egypt I have called my son" who made a pitstop in Nazareth so "he shall be called a Nazorean" while in reality he was not, and hence the tragedy that followed, wherein back to Galilee he goes instead of Is-ra-el.

The point here now is that there was no baby, and no young boy Jesus as only the infancy was real, and is there only to show that the infancy is real and that indeed a manger is needed to nurse the child and therefore Son of God is never good enough, and only Son of Man as Lamb of God will get the job done right, i.e. without Herodian tragedy.

Accordingly Jesus as the second Adam is also an illusion to now make all defenders of historicity 'look-alikes' for whom Jesus must be history for them to see, while his presence in the world is to reverse the direction the first Adam made wherein we went West from east of Eden and now do a 180 and go back East again and so go back home again, and to this end he said: "follow me" and drink of the same cup that I drank too.

Let me add that parthenos is parthenocarpic with substance, and thus real that in turn makes the sin against the HS real.
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