sugarhitman

to converse The Jews fought for that land noone gave them nothing and if they did they sure are hell bent on taking it back. Also Cyrus aloowed the Jews to go back to their homland... but God allowed even that.

JEST2ASK

There are some who argue that Christainity was started by Saul / Paul and hijacked by the Emperor Constantine , that whatever intial Jewish following Jesus had left little influence on such things as forming doctrine, heiarchy and selecting scripture.

Johnny Skeptic

What is your evidence for this guess?

JEST2ASK

Interesting claim just how could we even attempt to answer or prove such;
especially in light of competing claims by Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Zoratstians etc etc.

Wait I know only the Bible is authorative of matters regarding god.

sugarhitman

And to Johnny still giving yourself the victory of the Tyre debate? You guys still have not cited any history that tells us how Nebu sieged island Tyre. Ezekiel did not mention ships but land based weapons and infantry. Being the wise man as he was I serouisly doubt he would have made a prediction of Nebu attacking an island city (with walls that had no land outside of them but the sea) with chariots, siege mounts, wheels, horses. You guys just cant get it through your heads that Zek forsaw Nebu destroying continental Tyre and that He is separate from they as well as I. Just because you delude yourselves into believing you won....does not mean you have....By the way can you cite any history that documents how Nebu sieged island Tyre and i'm not talking about those "experts" who say Nebu sieged the island without giving details. Did he do it with ships? Did he build a causeway? Did he mount his ships with battering rams? If he did they must be mistaking him for Alex. Can you or will you continue to make up ideas of how he did it....without no evidence.

sugarhitman

To Johnny where is your evidence to the contrary

makerowner

Sugarhitman, we never said that Nebuchadrezzar took Tyre. All of us who argued against you agree that he didn't. The prophecy in Ez. 26 clearly states that he would, which is why he failed. The onus is on you to prove that he took Tyre (which doesn't mean that he took the island suburb, or that his "successor" Alexander took it); otherwise, we'll conclude that the prophecy failed.

makerowner

You're the one making the claim, so you need to find evidence. We have no evidence that Mary even existed, much less that she was a descendant of David (who may well not have existed anyway). Besides, the genealogies in Matthew and Luke are of Joseph.

sugarhitman

Look at matthew genealogy beginning with Soloman who begats Rohoboam in Luke He begats Nathan. Nathan was the brother of Rohoboam (check geneology in 1 Kings?). Mathhew Lines is of the royal lineage Lukes is not. They are completely different lines. Jacob is Josephs biological father, Heli is his father in law. The Jewish Talmud lists Mary as the daughter of Eli (Heli). Names of women are not included in Jewish Geneologies (well not in those days ).

makerowner

Proving that the Bible is internally inconsistent. Is that what you wanted?