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Old 12-09-2009, 06:33 PM   #121
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Wow... couldn't get out of Genesis... well that was too easy. I dare you to find any serious scholar who thinks that the stories of Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel (which is part of the same story), or Noah are meant to be factual, historical and about real, living, specific, human beings... I don't know what your problem with Abram and Moses is...
They are perfect examples of exactly what you claimed did not exist.
Persons who were MADE up.

They were BELIEVED as real people.
Made up people BELIEVED to be real.

Now we now they are NOT real.
Proving youir argument is completely false.

There are many such examples.

But now you pretend to only count those who are counted as real TODAY.
Changing the goalposts because your argument was shown wrong.


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Old 12-09-2009, 06:35 PM   #122
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did any other culture ever do this?
Ys.
Many


Osiris, Isis, Dionysus, Tiamt, Aesculapius, Hercules...

Endless examples proving you wrong.



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Old 12-09-2009, 06:47 PM   #123
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and yet... no examples?
Many many examples have been given before.

Adam and Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Solomon, Tammuz, Job, Hercules, Isis, Dionysus, Bacchus, Aesculapius, Demeter and Kore, William Tell, King Arthur, John Frun , Molly Pitcher.

There are endless examples.

Pretending you've never heard of ANY makes you look a complete idiot.
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And pretending Adam and Eve, Mickey Mouse and Jesus of Nazareth are the same type of "figures from history" is idiot-ic.

Abram, Moses, Hercules ("Recaranus" or "Garanus"), William (Wilhelm) Tell, Arthur (a Romano-British leader who fought against the invading Anglo-Saxons sometime in the late 5th to early 6th century), John Frun (FROM, not Frun, The name is sometimes considered a corruption of "John from (America)") and Molly Pitcher (Mary Ludwig Hays McCauley) are based on REAL persons.
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Now we now they are NOT real.
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What you DON'T know is scarier than what you profess to know.
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did any other culture ever do this?
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Osiris, Isis, Dionysus, Tiamt, Aesculapius, Hercules...

Endless examples proving you wrong.
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you are comparing apples and sand crabs...
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Old 12-09-2009, 09:08 PM   #126
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I am underimpressed, to say the least, by arguments akin to "serious Biblical scholars...blah blah blah".
ok... how about: "serious scholars of ancient texts" blah blah blah?
Not that either.

a. It's a bald unsupported claim
b. The word "serious" implies an irrational bias against minority positions
c. The field of Biblical studies has historically been swamped by apologists in scholar's clothing. Scholarly opionions are not free from such bias.

That said, if you want to present some actual arguments and not just hand waving assessments of nonexistent scholarly opinion polls, please proceed.
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John Frun (FROM, not Frun, The name is sometimes considered a corruption of "John from (America)") and Molly Pitcher (Mary Ludwig Hays McCauley) are based on REAL persons.
What real person is John/Jon Frun/From/Frum/Frumm/From based on?
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Popeye is based on a real person too.
Does that make Popeye historical ?


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b. The word "serious" implies an irrational bias against minority positions
Don't try that... these serious scholars ARE the minority opinion.

The irrational bias is towards the traditional memes.
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Popeye is based on a real person too.
Does that make Popeye historical ?


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If your premise is true, yes, of course.
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