aa5874

It is not disingenuous or misleading to state one's position. Atheism is at odds with theism, the vast majority, it cannot be disingenuous or misleading to state my position.


I do not represent any scholars, whatsoever. You are the one who brought 'the vast majority of scholars'. Can you give me your list of 'the vast amount of scholars' so that I can verify the list.

Amaleq13

Correct though no one has said anything different. Keeping that in mind, you would do well in the future to qualify assertions you know lack scholarly support as being your personal opinion so as to avoid misleading readers and accusations of disingenuousness.

When one makes the unqualified assertion that Josephus "failed to write a single word about Jesus the Christ", one creates the misleading impression that this is an established fact or, at least, widely held by scholars.

That is quite evidence to anyone familiar with your mantra but no everyone has had the pleasure of obtaining such familiarity.

However, you did assert that not all scholars considered the short reference to be genuine and that implies that you actually have knowledge of at least two who don't. Do you or do you not have anything to support this assertion?

Yes and that is because you failed to mention them in your misleading assertion.

If you are truly this ignorant, then the accusation of disingenuousness is inappropriate since it presupposes such knowledge.

As I suspected, you have no specific knowledge of any scholars who support your position and can only attempt to divert from that fact.

I will leave you to your empty and repetitive assertions so that I might enjoy my vacation. :wave:

Johann_Kaspar

In that case it would be wiser not to make definite conclusions as to the non-existence of a HJ. It could be that sometimes the Slavonic version of the War has a much better text than the Greek one.

aa5874

You have not provided any scholarly support for your assertions, you claim vast amount of scholars consider the shorter version genuine, where is your scholarly support?

That is my opinion, do I disqualify from an opinion. There is no such thing as an unqualified assertion. Assertions may be proven to be true or false.

Can you prove Josephus wrote the TF or the shorter version?


From your own statement; 'the vast majority' which does not imply 'all'.

Why do you have to get personal, is someting bothering you?

If I needed support, I would have been a theist since they have the 'vast' amount of support.

I would suggest that you do not waste your time on empty and repetitive assertions, it only wears you down, enjoy your vacation.

Johann_Kaspar

Tsss, tsss, tsss, what is a "Jewish point of view" when there were so many parties among the Jewish people. Obviously you are not aware of the Jewish saying : where there are 12 Jews, there are 13 synagogues...

Tsss, tsss, tsss... If you don't have the basic texts of the 1st century, it is your assertion which is baseless. Litterally.

aa5874

You have not put anything forward. Just rhetoric.

There is no account of Jesus the Christ, his teachings or his thousands of followers, in the first century, by any extant extra-biblical source. What say you? True or false?

I haven't seen any from Pliny the elder, Philo or Josephus. Have you seen any?

The NT accounts of Jesus the Christ are contradictory, his date of birth, the place where he lived as a child and his genealogy. After he died, according to the NT, and was buried in a sealed tomb under guard by soldiers, his body was never seen when visited by his followers.

The person called Paul in 2 corinthians 12:2-3 could not remember if Jesus the Christ was a 'phantom' or real.

Do the NT accounts of Jesus the Christ appear credible to you?

Personally, I reject the historicity of Jesus the Christ.

Johann_Kaspar

And I did put something forward. What can I do if you ignore my advice :banghead: The rhetoric is on your side.

False.

Yes. Even I pointed it to you. So I am good.

I don't care about later addition to the gospels.

"Paul" did not exist.

The gospel is not a narrative or a record of events. People with a xian mentality see it that way, though.

Your opinion. No proof. Well "Jesus the Christ" is a xian fabrication, but what about the annointed king crucified by Pontius Pilatus?

aa5874

I am not aware that Pontius Pilate crucified any annointed king, in the first century.

Do you have any proof of that crucifixion by Pontius Pilate?

Johann_Kaspar

I don't need a proof. You need one.

It is easy to have an unfounded opinion ignoring the relevant texts and analysis. I can be sure you never read Massé, and that you don't even have an idea about what he wrote.

Sometimes it is better to say: I don't know, than showing prejudice.

aa5874

Your statement is extremely strange. You not making sense.

I can be sure you have read every book in the world.

I don't know how the historicity of Jesus the Christ could be valid. I don't know of any information from any extra-biblical source of Jesus the Christ, his thousands of followers or his teachings, in the first century. I don't know the date of birth of Jesus the Christ, his place of residence as a child, his genealogy or how his body could have disappeared from a sealed tomb while under guard. I don't know that the so-called Paul knew whether Jesus the Christ was a phantom or real.

I don't know anything about this character, Jesus the Christ. I don't know how he could be considered to have been a real person.

Do you know?